sheikra_rocks Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 http://www.KICentral.com/photos/displayima...m=278&pos=2 In this picture that someone had a question about... I am guessing you are talking about the place where the 2 rows of bolts are holding the bottom part to the spine itself? Well, I would assume it is there so if the track doesn't sit just right, or needs to be tilted in anyway to match the previous of preceeding peice they can loosen those bolts and adjust it acordingly. After it is in the right possition, they tighten them up. also this will help reduce stress on the track itself, as I would imagine they give a little under the weight of the train. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firehawkboy Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 ^Hmm.. Well lift hill pieces were shipped in yesterday. So I'm hoping that they start it ASAP! But other than that, they are just working on the bunny hops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast1979 Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 ^Indeed it is! I'm looking forward to DB to slither back into the woods for the OVERBANK turn. I'm hoping that we'll be able to see it fom the highway. I'm looking forward to when you stop holding so strong to an opinion no one agrees with! But yes, Diamondback now has it's first completed hill, bottom to top to bottom. That drop into the ravine's looking pretty sweet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firehawkboy Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 That's exactly right. MY opinion. Some agree to disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast1979 Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 That's exactly right. MY opinion. Some agree to disagree. Must you make such a huge deal out of it? Most everyone in the industry calls it a Hammerhead, you call it an overbank. Why must you fight about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firehawkboy Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 WHOA! Who said I was fighting?? I don't believe there were any fighting words used in my past 2 posts. But I'm not going to sit here and have this cyber "argument" over a bolded word. That's not my style. All I'm saying is, Behemoth's, Nitro's, Silver Star's turns are completely different looking than DB's. And their turns are called Hammerhead turns. DB's doesn't look that much like it. Alright. Let's stop the silly little arguments, and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigellinus Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 Footers vs. Footings, anyone?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firehawkboy Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 ^Hmm... i've always called them footers, but they both sound good/accurate to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dane Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 Don't start footers vs. footings again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailRider Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 All I'm saying is, Behemoth's, Nitro's, Silver Star's turns are completely different looking than DB's. And their turns are called Hammerhead turns. DB's doesn't look that much like it. Ok if Diamondback's doesn't look like those, then here you go. DB HammerHead Nitro HammerHead SilverStar HammerHead Behemoth HammerHead Behemoth Layout Depiction of HammerHead Uhhh I think they all look pretty similar, so if you call one a HammerHead, I think you need to call them all a HammerHead... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firehawkboy Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 ^Well take a look at the way that Silver Star, Behemoth, Nitro go into the hammerhead. As they go into it, they curve to the right then curve to the left into the turn. But in Nitro's case, it's the opposite turn. But in DB's case, it goes straight into the turn. Take BLSC for example, it goes straight into the turn, and its called an overbank. DB does the same exact thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailRider Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 Go back and read post #1062 and it is clearly explained the aviation definition of a HammerHead. Now in a true sense it is impossible for any circuit coaster to make a hammerhead turn because the train would need to stall and reverse course. But as we know B&M are famous for naming elements on their coasters after aviation manuvers. Once again you may find it as an overbanked turn on a non B&M but on a B&M they will refer to it as a HammerHead. It is all for marketing and advertising. Enough said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firehawkboy Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 Alright. You know what? If it'll make everyone here happy. I'll start calling it a hammerhead. I'm very sorry for expressing my opinion. EDIT: Well that explains it there. I forgot that B&M names elements differently than Premier, Vekoma, etc. So this conversation is over. Enough said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailRider Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 Dont appologize, its your opinion. I am just expressing mine as well and also deep down I want to bring back the Footers vs Footings arguement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kawana Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 Honestly, what difference does it make if B&M calls it one thing whilst Vekoma, Premier, etc call it another. I'ts still going to serve it's purpose and add to the thrill of the ride. They could call it a tickle giggle turn and I wouldn't care as long as it doesn't fall apart while in operation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firehawkboy Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 ^Alright. Well, lets move on. About the footings/footers argument, I've always called them footers. I'm sticking to it. What do you all call them?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailRider Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 I call them footers, even though they are truly footings. Kind of like calling all brands of facial tissue Klenex... And from now on I will not refer to the turn as a HammerHead, from this day forth it is The Tickle Giggle Turn, love that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firehawkboy Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 ^haha, i love that name too. There, we finally agree on something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 Any discussion that results in me looking at pictures of Nitro is one I am in favor of! And in saying that, I am on sound footing! Terpy, whose sign off line could be called a footer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailRider Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 Looks the are pouring concrete around the station area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kawana Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 Finally, I've contributed something of value to the site!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firehawkboy Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 Lol Kawana! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DropZone99 Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 This time last year when CW was building Behemoth all they had done was the station track, brake run, and a tiny bit done on the lift hill. So DB is being built really fast. I know that DB started construction during the off season of 2007-2008 and Behemoth started in May 2007 but vertical construction didn't start until mid August for DB and until Mid September for Behemoth. http://behemoth.canadaswonderland.com/publ...ry=construction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flightoffear1996 Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 Did it open on time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 Yes, Behemoth opened on time. Cedar Fair rides typically do...Maverick was an exception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastersRZ Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 I believe that I have an answer to the "weird connector piece" on Diamondback`s track. That splice plate (the small rectangular piece of steel that joins the portion connected to the column with the actual track piece is not there for alignment purposes. All the holes in that steel are just big enough to allow the bolts to slide in. Remember, this is a B&M coaster and design tolerances are extremely limited (like down to several millimeters). That splice plate is actually a form of structural connection. I believe that it is a pin connection, which prevents the transfer of moment into the support. This also would explain why the flange from the track piece does not come into direct contact with the flange on the lower support piece. (Although, this may have nothing to do with a pinned connection, but rather a way to attempt to isolate vibrations in the track caused by the train from the support itself.) A moment is defined as a force times a distance and is typically measured in foot-pounds. Moment, or fixed, connections are extremely difficult and expensive to create, compared to pinned connections. Which for those wondering, fixed connections are almost impossible to achieve in wood construction. Almost all connections in wood are pinned connections. By contrast, most connections in concrete, inherently are fixed connections, although pinned connections are possible in concrete. Now, you probably learned way more about connections in that little structures lesson than you cared to know about. As I stated, I`m not entirely sure if my answer is completely accurate, as I am not a structural engineer or coaster designer (I`m not even an architect, at least not yet) but I have taken four classes in structures at UC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigellinus Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 ^^You're in DAAP, right? This time last year when CW was building Behemoth all they had done was the station track, brake run, and a tiny bit done on the lift hill. So DB is being built really fast. I know that DB started construction during the off season of 2007-2008 and Behemoth started in May 2007 but vertical construction didn't start until mid August for DB and until Mid September for Behemoth. http://behemoth.canadaswonderland.com/publ...ry=construction Although, Behemoth finished a month behind schedule and D-back will be opening (hopefully!) a few weeks before Behemoth did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pkifreakhogg Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 It's gonna look sweet when the lift hill goes up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailRider Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 I believe that I have an answer to the "weird connector piece" on Diamondback`s track. That splice plate (the small rectangular piece of steel that joins the portion connected to the column with the actual track piece is not there for alignment purposes. All the holes in that steel are just big enough to allow the bolts to slide in. Remember, this is a B&M coaster and design tolerances are extremely limited (like down to several millimeters). That splice plate is actually a form of structural connection. I believe that it is a pin connection, which prevents the transfer of moment into the support. This also would explain why the flange from the track piece does not come into direct contact with the flange on the lower support piece. (Although, this may have nothing to do with a pinned connection, but rather a way to attempt to isolate vibrations in the track caused by the train from the support itself.) A moment is defined as a force times a distance and is typically measured in foot-pounds. Moment, or fixed, connections are extremely difficult and expensive to create, compared to pinned connections. Which for those wondering, fixed connections are almost impossible to achieve in wood construction. Almost all connections in wood are pinned connections. By contrast, most connections in concrete, inherently are fixed connections, although pinned connections are possible in concrete. Now, you probably learned way more about connections in that little structures lesson than you cared to know about. As I stated, I`m not entirely sure if my answer is completely accurate, as I am not a structural engineer or coaster designer (I`m not even an architect, at least not yet) but I have taken four classes in structures at UC. Thank you for the explanation. So basically by having that type of connection the idea is to prevent or lessen the wear on the supports? Possibly preventing them from cracking or excessive wear? Did I understand you correctly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flightoffear1996 Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 It's gonna look sweet when the lift hill goes up. I think the drop will look much nicer. I hope on the other hand they theme the splash down area like in the video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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