Beast1979 Posted November 9, 2009 Posted November 9, 2009 I think we can all forget the weenie roast, if I were Kings Island I'd do the newspaper test and come to the easiest, most painless solution: "After 2 lawsuits involving a hospitalizing accident in 2006, 6 months of dormancy after a woman burst a blood vessel on the ride, and the discovery of the ride's structural flaws, Kings Island quietly an quickly removes the ride from the park, putting SoB in the past."
Diamondback FOF Posted November 9, 2009 Posted November 9, 2009 Another great assistance by the media. With stuff like this coming out constantly, I'm surprised we haven't seen the wrecking ball yet one week in. Has anyone actually been to Kings Island in the past week to check that yet?
Captain Picard Posted November 9, 2009 Posted November 9, 2009 It looks to me like some of you here have never seen the 06 ODA report. http://cid-89ed6cf4fae02c2e.skydrive.live....inspection2.pdf
The Interpreter Posted November 9, 2009 Posted November 9, 2009 Gee, I wonder whose signature appears on behalf of the State of Ohio, as an engineer, on the left side of the end of that report?
The Interpreter Posted November 9, 2009 Posted November 9, 2009 See also, in the local news: A video (all I get is the audio, though): http://www.local12.com/mediacenter/local.a...&navCatId=5 and two local reports largely rehashing the Dayton Daily News article: http://www.local12.com/news/local/story/En...3hw4FVfovg.cspx http://newstalkradiowhio.com/localnews/200...t-has-prob.html
dakota2112 Posted November 9, 2009 Posted November 9, 2009 What is missing from all this, or at least in my mind, is... what's been done to the ride since 2006 and now. The state engineer who prepared the 2006 report and was mentioned in the article clearly said that without computer analysis, the net effect of a localized band-aid fix would be unpredictable. Reinforcing the point of failure would transfer the excessive load to the surrounding structure, and so on. Between that, and things like finding loose bolts elsewhere on the ride... what's been done since 2006? Did they do an overall finite element or other computer analysis on the structure? Did they reinforce the entire helix?
Hank Posted November 9, 2009 Posted November 9, 2009 If it doesn't shake, it will break - and adding stiffness to the ride will make it more uncomfortable. However, too much sway will cause problems. It really points to faulty wood and/or not enough support at "critical" points along the circuit. Realizing that wood gets replaced, I would guess that many spots on the ride have had new lumber and may have added lumber installed too. When dealing with something as massive as this, the word "underengineering" comes to mind (if there is such a word). Reminds me of The Bat - only no one suffered injury, only the ride itself got beat up. Can this be fixed? Of course it can - and who knows if ANY OTHER wooden coaster has these problems (the problems just haven't manifested themselves yet). But, with the huge amount of wood used, to be safe, you'd be replacing almost every piece of lumber, or at least all of the "original" lumber. This is expensive, as is demolition, as are lawsuits. The right person to make the corrections doesn't seem to have come around yet. (I could leave my phone number!)
McSalsa Posted November 9, 2009 Posted November 9, 2009 Perhaps you have been riding that big blue B and M gigacoaster at Cedar Point too much? Terpy...it happens to all of us on occasion. . . Uhh Terpy...there aren't any B&M Gigacoasters. Though if there were, they would probably be awesome. But they would still pale next to Train O' Doom.
The Interpreter Posted November 9, 2009 Posted November 9, 2009 Apparently someone doesn't read every post here! Otherwise, you'd know that comment was on sound footing. Or see the footer: Footer: Terpy is well known for once stating that B and M had built a huge gigacoaster at Cedar Point. Of course, he knew it was an INTAMIN, but his brain and fingers input into his human interface device something completely different...it happens.
Whales_Rock Posted November 9, 2009 Posted November 9, 2009 AWWWWWWWW MAN! I never got to ride SOB Whats the percentage right now that it's going? I mean, has it been secretly announced. As said before, I know they might not reveal it to the public but- what are the chances that it will stay?
The Interpreter Posted November 9, 2009 Posted November 9, 2009 What do you mean has it been secretly announced? Announcements are announcements. There has been no announcement.
Whales_Rock Posted November 9, 2009 Posted November 9, 2009 Yeah.... true I mean as in, like, no one announcing it to the public, just in private- what they're going to do with it. Has it pretty much been decided? I don't know if that made any sense XD
The Interpreter Posted November 9, 2009 Posted November 9, 2009 Terpy, choosing his words carefully: Mr. Helbig has consistently indicated no decision about Son of Beast's fate had been made prior to the close of the season, and that a decision would be made and announced during the off season.
HTCO Posted November 9, 2009 Posted November 9, 2009 The park knows its fate. But no one out side of the park does. If that is indeed what you are asking.
The Interpreter Posted November 9, 2009 Posted November 9, 2009 Well, I am not sure I'd say that either. . .
HTCO Posted November 9, 2009 Posted November 9, 2009 Terpy, what are you imposing? That KI doesn't know its fate? Or that people outside KI do?
The Interpreter Posted November 9, 2009 Posted November 9, 2009 Terpy, what are you imposing? That KI doesn't know its fate? Or that people outside KI do? Yes. And you knew that.
Beast1979 Posted November 9, 2009 Posted November 9, 2009 I always imagined the announcement for it's removal looking something like this:
Diamondback FOF Posted November 9, 2009 Posted November 9, 2009 Whats the percentage right now that it's going?... I wonder what the bookies's odds would be for SOB never reopening? I just watched a news story about this on Channel 5.
CedarPointer Posted November 9, 2009 Posted November 9, 2009 I always imagined the announcement for it's removal looking something like this: And there's even a train on the track!
IndyGuy4KI Posted November 9, 2009 Posted November 9, 2009 The park knows its fate. But no one out side of the park does. If that is indeed what you are asking. It has been stated many times that the decision would be made in the off season, and that date was NOT going to be Nov 2nd and in my prediction probably not Dec 1st either for that matter. I am sure the recent news has not helped it's chances of survival.
Avatar Posted November 9, 2009 Posted November 9, 2009 With a company looking for ways to reduce cost, even going so far as to try to cancel delivery of coaster, then why does anyone think they are in any hurry to make a decision or to spend the money on it either way in this years budget.
faeriewench Posted November 9, 2009 Posted November 9, 2009 With a company looking for ways to reduce cost, even going so far as to try to cancel delivery of coaster, then why does anyone think they are in any hurry to make a decision or to spend the money on it either way in this years budget. Cause they got nothing else better to do? lol
The Interpreter Posted November 9, 2009 Posted November 9, 2009 In my line of work, there is a frequently cited observation. Doing nothing is a choice, with consequences that must also be weighed. Terpy, just sayin'
The Interpreter Posted November 10, 2009 Posted November 10, 2009 Well, I hope I do a little more in this world than just kidding, but sometimes I wonder....
CedarPointer Posted November 10, 2009 Posted November 10, 2009 And your line of work is... jk You haven't heard? Terpy is the invisible man:
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