Vortex Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 The majority stakeholder in S&S Worldwide, Larsen MacColl Partners, has sold their interest in S&S to Sansei Yusoki Co Ltd, a Japanese company involved with lift and escalator systems, stage equipment, as well as an arm for amusement rides as well. http://www.screamscape.com/html/industry_news.htm#SSPOWER Does not look like anything will change at S&S. Hope Vortex will still be round for just a little more. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kblanken Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 Arrow produced 10 coasters in their final 4 years of independent operation (1999-2002), averaging in at just under 3 coasters a year. S&S on the other hand, has been around for 14 years and is averaging 1 coaster a year. Maybe I'm crazy, but those numbers just scream Arrow's success and commitment in coasters, and S&S' lack thereof. You said yourself, Arrow is only doing 4th Dimensions and nothing more, so what's the point? Perhaps financial constraints or a contract binding is constricting Arrow's potential ambition? According to rcdb.com, only 5 of the Arrow coasters from 1999-2002 were new (X2-2002, Psycho Mouse-2001, Mad Mouse-1999, Mad Mouse-1999, and Tennessee Tornado-1999.) The other five had been built in 1971, 1972, 1975, 1977, and 1995 before being relocated. Any lack of S&S coasters being built doesn't necessarily mean they don't want to build them, there needs to be somebody asking for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 That's like saying you wonder why Cedar Fair is holding on to Paramount Parks. There isn't in reality the entity once known as Paramount Parks. It was people, a culture, a way of thinking, acting, treating people. A customer list, a vendor list. A governance structure, which did not include Dick Kinzel. All basically thoroughly integrated into what is now Cedar Fair Entertainment Company or abandoned. Ironically, the acquisition, and its debt load, transformed Cedar Fair at least as much as it did Paramount Parks. Back to Arrow. Arrow failed. Not just once either. Several times. And its real genius was Ron Toomer and the people he surrounded himself with. He was an engineering genius. A finance guy? Not so much. In any event, he's gone. S&S is a business. A flowing, changing entity. It could sell part of its business lines if it chose. Even if it did, there really isn't the old Arrow, sitting as a separate unit, waiting to be neatly sawed off and sold. If and when Vortex ends at Kings Island, it's not likely to be because of parts availabilty. Should we mention Flight Deck, too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 Someone asking...who can and will pay for them. Note also the intense competition in a greatly smaller domestic coaster market. Fewer buyers, different market. AKA the coaster wars are largely over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
74Gibson Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 It's such a solid coaster that I'd bet it will be seen like Magnum which is still widely popular (for those who know to sit in 3-2 or the last car, middle row). There, I fixed it for you. Had to fix your fix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TombRaiderFTW Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 ^ At least we've kind of got a middle ground in thinking some part of the last car is one of the best spots. Let's call a truce before this discussion gets ugly. Or boring, much like 3-2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
74Gibson Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 You must not like airtime... floater that is (See what I did there). The third hill in that seat (3-2) is one of the most amazing coaster moments of all time. I love 1-3 but 2-2 and 3-2 are sublime. So smooth and re-rideable. Probably the only coaster I've gone 10+ laps on consecutively. BTW 8 on Raptor in abt. 45 mins was not a good idea Truce accepted. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TombRaiderFTW Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 ^ That's probably it, in all actuality. I like several violent coasters, and getting ridiculous (and occasionally somewhat painful) airtime on Magnum is probably one of my favorite things about that ride. I love sitting in the back and watching the heads in front of me quickly hop out of view as the train lurches over the last series of bunny hops. You can even ask Gator--I spent (and enjoyed) more laps in Blue Racer's last row than I intended at Coasting for Kids, and the ride was moderately jackhammering back there. But hey, to each his own! (Then again, I was also half-comatose from lack of sleep at Coasting for Kids, so maybe that isn't the best example...) 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homestar92 Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Am I the only one here with a soft spot for Arrow's... awkward... transitions? It seems people classify the coaster as "rough", but I think it's all a part of her charm. Yes, HER charm. Vortex is a classy lady. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKIVortex Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 I love Arrow coasters, even more then the B&M's of today, call me crazy I guess, but Vortex is one of my all time favoirte coasters, along with Magnum at CP. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titan Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Well I had an interesting conversation in study hall today...... Girl: "Did you hear King's Island tearing down Vortex?" Me: "No, Why?" Girl: "It's built in a sink hole and the thing you ride in could come off the track." Me: *Starts laughing* and continues on with History homework Girl: "It's not funny, people could die!" 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 ^ Die laughing? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomTheater Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 I love Arrow products. My first and second coasters were Arrow loopers, so I feel right at home in an Arrow Looper train. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VortexBFForever Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 Am I the only one here with a soft spot for Arrow's... awkward... transitions? It seems people classify the coaster as "rough", but I think it's all a part of her charm. Yes, HER charm. Vortex is a classy lady. I love Arrow coasters, even more then the B&M's of today, call me crazy I guess, but Vortex is one of my all time favoirte coasters, along with Magnum at CP. I love Arrow products. My first and second coasters were Arrow loopers, so I feel right at home in an Arrow Looper train. I am totally on the same page as ALL of you! Yep, she (Vortex) definitely has the nostalgia and the Arrow elegance. Don't worry, homestar92. I have a (very) soft spot for Arrow rides too. <3 PKIVortex, I also really LOOOOVE Magnum! Vortex and Magnum are my favorite Arrows. PhantomTheater, I so totally agree with the part of your post in the quote that I underlined. I'm always excited just to step on one of Vortex's trains, let alone ANY Arrow trains! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTD-120-420 Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 I guess I'm one of the people you all aren't fond of. The only Arrows I like are Magnum and Adventure Express. (I actually love them) I guess Gemini and Flight Deck are ok, but I have never really been about Arrows. I couldn't stand The Lochness Monster at Busch Gardens when I tried it. I also tried my best to enjoy Big Bad Wolf the three times that I was on it, but it just didn't do anything for me. I couldn't even really get into the nostalgia of it. Could not enjoy it at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanna Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 Well I had an interesting conversation in study hall today...... Girl: "Did you hear King's Island tearing down Vortex?" Me: "No, Why?" Girl: "It's built in a sink hole and the thing you ride in could come off the track." Me: *Starts laughing* and continues on with History homework Girl: "It's not funny, people could die!" You could tell she was an expert in the subject, by her use of the technical term, "thing you ride in". 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKIVortex Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 I guess Vortex holds that special place in my heart cause I rode it during it's opening year in 1987 and have been riding it every since. I also rode Magnum in it's opening year 1989. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titan Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 Well I had an interesting conversation in study hall today...... Girl: "Did you hear King's Island tearing down Vortex?" Me: "No, Why?" Girl: "It's built in a sink hole and the thing you ride in could come off the track." Me: *Starts laughing* and continues on with History homework Girl: "It's not funny, people could die!" You could tell she was an expert in the subject, by her use of the technical term, "thing you ride in". Yeah, she is an "expert" in everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofBaconator Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 This was posted on Coasterof the day's facebook page Coaster Of The Day Coaster of the Day: Anaconda at Kings Dominion Screamscape reports that this Coaster, along with other old Arrow Coasters at various Cedar Fair parks could be taken down in the next few years. Will you be sad, or excited seeing Anaconda taken down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shark6495 Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 vague but true rumor of the day^^ Again, not that hard to state that "other old Arrow coasters at various CF parks." I count 3 vague words (other, old, various) in that phrase. What is old? 10, 20, 4 years? various? the true part being that at one point most if not all of these various old arrows will be gone... but when? So which KI arrow would be considered old and leaving? Flight Deck, Vortex, Adventure Express??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCrypt Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 This rumor is very incoherent. There are Arrow loopers within all Cedar Fair parks (with the exception of Knott's, Dorney, and Worlds of Fun), and Screamscape is reporting the 8 coasters will be gone within the next 2 years for no reason. How anyone can see any validity in this is beyond me. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browntggrr Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 They say there is some truth to every lie. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kicsehlhorst Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 i dought this will happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTD-120-420 Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Please take a few seconds to use proper grammar and capitalization. Your post is only five words. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Not to mention it WILL happen. The only question is when. Nothing is forever. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTD-120-420 Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 I heard diamonds are forever. I doubt anyone cares after the sky falls, though. Sorry for bad James Bond references. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 There are other types of James Bond references? Terpy, running for the door. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shark6495 Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Not to mention it WILL happen. The only question is when. Nothing is forever. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kicsehlhorst Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 it probably will not be soon, but it will have to go someday even how sad it might be to say. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xXDrummerKiDXx Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Vortex was my first! And though Vortex has its roughness, I can honestly say, with an Advil before, I enjoy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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