The Interpreter Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 I am quite sure it would be possible. At what expense, or train length, I know not. I see Diamondback's seating configuration as a gimmick. A most unfortunate gimmick. I am elated it is not being duplicated at Carowinds. 6 Quote
MDMC01 Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 I don't mind Diamondback's seating arrangement (in fact, when interviewed about the ride for my high school newspaper, I stated that I was most excited about the "wing seats"), but I would love it if they cars were modified into a 4-seater arrangement because this arrangement is what B&M first used back in the '90s.The new seating arrangement might take some getting used to, but I think I would love it if it happened! 1 Quote
marth555 Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 I like the staggered seating it gives a better view 2 Quote
The Interpreter Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 At the expense of a rattlier ride. Too bad The Rattler name was already taken. Then again, so was Diamond Back. 1 Quote
Diamondback96 Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 They could have used Reptile Cage. Diamondback96, locking himself in. 3 Quote
PKIVortex Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 I do know that the 4 across seating even with the 8 rows the trains are shorter then what we see on Diamondback. 1 Quote
Spectrum91 Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 I am quite sure it would be possible. At what expense, or train length, I know not. I see Diamondback's seating configuration as a gimmick. A most unfortunate gimmick. I am elated it is not being duplicated at Carowinds. I agree with marth555, that the staggered seating provides a better view. It also offers more space to outstretch one's arms. A fair trade-off for a bit of "rattle" that's still magnitudes below most other Kings Island roller coasters. 3 Quote
The Interpreter Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 And at least 9/10 of the vibration can be avoided by those who wish simply by sitting in an odd numbered row--in the side by side seats. 1 Quote
TheBEASTunchained Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 They could have used Reptile Cage. Diamondback96, locking himself in. You can ride in a cage at Kings Island...... Just go over to the 301 ft. swing ride next to Vortex and let them bring you down the FUN way! 3 Quote
RollerNut Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 The rattle is just a noise, it doesnt affect the ride on Intimidator. 1 Quote
The Interpreter Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 Intimidator doesn't have the same trains... EDIT: SEE BELOW. 1 Quote
AintNutinElse2Do Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 ^besides lead car and color, what's the difference in Intimidator's trains and Diamondback's. Quote
The Interpreter Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 Intimidator has B&M's standard four across seating. Eight rows. Diamondback, the 16 rows of two... EDIT: Wrong, Terp. Quote
TombRaiderFTW Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 ...Wait. I'm pretty sure Intimidator has the staggered trains... After a quick trip to RCDB: See here. (Can't embed images at the moment.) 8 Quote
marth555 Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 I cant believe terp is wrong about something 8 Quote
coasterfanatic83 Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 It happens sometimes... Just ask about the big blue B&M in Sandusky! 6 Quote
The Interpreter Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 And what does the next to last line here say? http://rcdb.com/8588.htm Blame them, too. 2 Quote
The Interpreter Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 That also tells you/me/us what an impression Intimidator made on me. Not much. 3 Quote
homestar92 Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 And Behemoth has the staggered ones as well. Leviathan does not.Another perk to the four-across is that, if desired, it is possible to have more than eight cars. Raging Bull (which on an unrelated note is far and away my favorite B&M Hyper that I've ridden) has nine rows. Yeah, this is probably possible with the staggered seats too. But each additional four seats increases train length twice as much as with the four-across. And that extra car equates to a theoretical 12.5% increase in capacity.I say theoretical of course because it isn't quite a straight comparison. That is also one more row to check, which means that with the same number of seat checkers, dispatch time will increase accordingly. And what does the next to last line here say?http://rcdb.com/8588.htmBlame them, too. That isn't the only place RCDB makes that mistake. See also: http://rcdb.com/4253.htm and http://rcdb.com/4005.htm No such mistake on the page for Shambhala, but they also don't mention the trains at all for that coaster. So it also goes to show that RCDB isn't accurate. And after visiting Camden Park, there are other reasons I don't find them accurate, too. 3 Quote
The Interpreter Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 They refuse to acknowledge Camden Park's Haunted House as a coaster, while listing powered coasters. And their steel/wood bifurcation is pretty unrealistic, too. 3 Quote
TombRaiderFTW Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 That also tells you/me/us what an impression Intimidator made on me. Not much. I'd agree with this. I found Intimidator completely forgettable and couldn't begin to correctly describe the number of hills and turns and their proper order if I tried. That being said, I've never found Diamondback or Intimidator to be excessively rattly, apart from the exit from Diamondback's turnaround. I haven't ridden any other B&M hypers with staggered seats. But that's me. 3 Quote
Spectrum91 Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 That also tells you/me/us what an impression Intimidator made on me. Not much. I'd agree with this. I found Intimidator completely forgettable and couldn't begin to correctly describe the number of hills and turns and their proper order if I tried. Having ridden all three Cedar Fair B&M hyper roller coasters, I'd personally rank Intimidator as the number one. I found it much more thrilling and exciting than Behemoth or Diamondback. 2 Quote
homestar92 Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 Of the Cedar Fair B&M Hypers, Behemoth is probably my favorite. Those helices after the MCBR are awesome. As long as Leviathan is being considered a Giga and not a hyper. B&M refers to it as a hypercoaster, so if we're going by that, then it's my favorite. Quote
jcgoble3 Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 And Behemoth has the staggered ones as well. Leviathan does not. Another perk to the four-across is that, if desired, it is possible to have more than eight cars. Raging Bull (which on an unrelated note is far and away my favorite B&M Hyper that I've ridden) has nine rows. Yeah, this is probably possible with the staggered seats too. But each additional four seats increases train length twice as much as with the four-across. And that extra car equates to a theoretical 12.5% increase in capacity. I say theoretical of course because it isn't quite a straight comparison. That is also one more row to check, which means that with the same number of seat checkers, dispatch time will increase accordingly. And what does the next to last line here say? http://rcdb.com/8588.htm Blame them, too. That isn't the only place RCDB makes that mistake. See also: http://rcdb.com/4253.htm and http://rcdb.com/4005.htm No such mistake on the page for Shambhala, but they also don't mention the trains at all for that coaster. So it also goes to show that RCDB isn't accurate. And after visiting Camden Park, there are other reasons I don't find them accurate, too. Yet Wikipedia editors still treat them as the Holy Bible of roller coasters and believe that they can do no wrong. To wit, I present the Wikipedia page for Diamondback, which copies RCDB's error. When I tried to fix it, another editor reverted me because "that's what RCDB says". Wonder why I'm no longer active there? 1 Quote
The Interpreter Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 Their no primary source rule is the height of foolishness. 2 Quote
RollerNut Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 Intimidator has B&M's standard four across seating. Eight rows. Diamondback, the 16 rows of two... EDIT: Wrong, Terp. Sorry I have to cherish this moment..... So why does obe type of train have the rattle but the other doesnt? Ridden Carowinds' Afterburn lately? The trains are making lots of rattles now and Afterburn does seem rougher than it used to. 1 Quote
The Interpreter Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 Enjoy away! It ain't the first time, and I hope and pray it won't be the last. A STOPPED clock is right twice a day. A perfect time piece, off by a second, will likely never be right, though. To err is human. To screw up bigtime, you need a computer. Sometimes. 8 Quote
Diamondback96 Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 And what does the next to last line here say? http://rcdb.com/8588.htm Blame them, too. They said that about Diamondback, as well. Almost typed that in a way that implied that roller coasters can talk! 2 Quote
freaks76 Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 Good reading here.... One question. Camden's Haunted House is supposed to be a coaster? Quote
jcgoble3 Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 To some, it is. To others, it is not. I have not ridden it, thus I am not qualified to offer an opinion. Quote
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