Gordon Bombay Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 PKI has to make sacrifices to make it in the world of Theme Parks, however, they need to keep the things people enjoy most and get rid of the things people don't enjoy. And right now there are more kids watching spongebob square pants than the smurfs. True some kids know the charecters in HB land but can HB compeet iwth disney and nickolodeon now a days? Come on.......no unfortuanently it cant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gulliversrubadub Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 Your right they can't compete with Disney or Nick, however, they can keep things that the people like instead of keeping things that are not enjoyable. And right now there are more kids watching spongebob square pants than the smurfs. True some kids know the charecters in HB land but can HB compeet iwth disney and nickolodeon now a days? Come on.......no unfortuanently it cant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Bombay Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 Keep things people like? Sure A LOT of people like HBL and the HB theming. You do, I do. All those kids who grew up wiht it do. But theres even A LOT MORE kids who like nickolodeon rides and attractions. You may not find them enjoyable but jsut you wait and see in 2006 when NC expands and you see how much money the park brings in from kids coming to the new NC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby_Doo Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 PKI has to make sacrifices to make it in the world of Theme Parks, however, they need to keep the things people enjoy most and get rid of the things people don't enjoy. And right now there are more kids watching spongebob square pants than the smurfs. True some kids know the charecters in HB land but can HB compeet iwth disney and nickolodeon now a days? Come on.......no unfortuanently it cant. HA! ha! HA! ha! HA! CombatStupendous89 dude your funny! okay now paramount will nolonger have HB rights after 2009 but Six Flags does have rights to use Hanna-barbera and they do in some of there parks why go toe 2 toe with disney? Universal studios has Hb characters like{Scooby Doo,The Flinstones,Jetsons,Yogi Bear} along with Nick characters walking around there parks.Now Smurfs are on everymorning at 7:30am to get the lil ones off to school and the smurfs have a theme called Smurf Park it's in the england why Nick may be popular with kids these days kids still know who the flinstones,Yogi,Jetsons,Smurfs are thanks to WB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Bombay Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 Maybe your kids, myslef, my sibblings, and children of some of the users on here but the kids being born today have no clue who msot of the HB charecters are. While Im a fan of HB, Nickelodeon is beating it in ratings and money. KI is going to bring in more people with Nick charecters than HB charecters. Scooby is whats keeping HB's heart pumping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby_Doo Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 First off I dont have kids..Iam only a college student my nephews(4 & 12) cousins (5& 8) love HB and have you seen Cartoon Networks Ratings? they are always on top of Nick all nick has is spongebob & fairly odd parents besides Classic Hanna Barbera cant be seen anymore unless you have Boomerang plus wait a new yogi bear cartoon is in the works for kids WB! If there was no HB there would be No NICK today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIBeast Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 ^I agree. Scooby is about the only HB characer left that the younger generations even recognize. Go ahead and ask them who Hong Kong Phooey is. They wouldn't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Bombay Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 Thats true, and im not dissing HB at all, I love HB, and higher ratings does not mean its more popular with kids. More people may watch CN but that doesnt mean more kids watch it. The reason cartoon network kills Nick in ratings is because of the jappaneese cartoons and shows like dexters lab, power puff girls, and teen titans. And kids WB isnt even considered a threat by Nickolodeon. No offense to the HB lovers at all, but the reality is as we see time go by were going to realize more and more that Nick and the newer cartoon network shows are more popular than the classics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby_Doo Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 ^ Ah Hong Phooey love him I wanna see the movie version of Hong Kong Phooey but that will be awhile since The JETSONS and YOGI Bear are due 2006 & 2007.But you gotta admit Hong phoney is no longe shown on tv or boomerang try yogi bear or the flinstones! Yeah Scooby has a HUGE fan base while do love the rest of HB I always loved scooby more for some odd reason and still do I have tattoo of scooby on my arm and a tattoo of the mystery machine on my....ugh lets not go there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Bombay Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 Take 100 first graders from any grade school in the United States and I bet you that more of them will know who Spongebob is rather than yogi. Im not saying noen of them will have heard of yogi but Nick is on the rise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby_Doo Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 Well DUH? wait a year or so then ask them that question Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Bombay Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 And after I wait a year I bet even more kids will know about Nick toons and even less kids will know about HB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby_Doo Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 Nick will always be popular ..ask them in one year because The Yogi Bear movie comes out next summer and the new cartoon comes out next fall...Kids will know Yogi and love him...kids pick who they and what they like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Bombay Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 Rocky and Bullwinkle came out with a movie and the Flintstones even made a sequel and still less and less kids know who they are. Just cause somethings being made into a movie doesnt mean its fantastic and that it will be good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby_Doo Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 Yes but they werent back up with merch or a new tv series,new DVDs! Yogi Bear is even on the new Scooby Doo DVDS! so expect WB to give yogi the same treatment as scooby..tons of merch etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Bombay Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 That still doesnt mean its going to be sucessful. CN, NICK, and Disney have all had cartoons come out in movies and produced lots of merch and even given it a tv show and promoted it like crazy....that doesnt assure it will take off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby_Doo Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 Really loookie all cartoons to film took in a lot of money The Flintstone movie: Domestic: $130,531,208 Overseas: $211,100,000 Worldwide: $341,631,208 ( I dunno about but that is pretty darn good!) Opening Weekend May 27, 1994: $29,688,730 -------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Flintstones 2: Domestic: $35,268,275 Overseas: $24,200,000 Worldwide: $59,468,275 April 28, 2000 Opening Weekend: $10,518,435 ( That's pretty good!) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Scooby Doo Domestic: $153,294,164 Overseas: $122,356,539 Worldwide: $275,650,703 Opening Weekend June 14,2002 $54,155,312 ( Thats awsome!!!) Scooby Doo beat Austin Powers the spy who shagged me's opening in June for the biggest opening weekend in the month of june! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Scooby Doo 2:Monsters Unleashed Domestic: $84,216,833 Overseas: $97,250,000 WorldWide:$181,466,833 March 26th 2004 Opening weekend:$29,438,331 Thats really good movies like these will always do very well because people already know who they are and therefore thats why you will see the jetsons,flintstones,Yogi Bear movies do well kids arent the only ones that may want to see these movies the parents,uncles,aunts,grandparents may take kids in there families to see a movie based on yogi bear or scooby doo because they grew up them and want there kids to know them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
familyman Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 Man you have a lot of free time on your hands don't you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby_Doo Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 No,I did a school project on cartoon to film earnings thats how I got all the info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Bombay Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 It shows, scooby doo is whats carrying HB right now. The flintstones first movie did so well cause it was geared towards adults. Why dont you compare those to some of the Nick movie earnings. The point is that HBL is going and NC will expand. NC will bring in more money over time. We cant change corporates minds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gulliversrubadub Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 Problem is I don't let my kids watch much of the Nick toons that you are talking about except SpongBob. My daughter who is 3 years old loves to watch the old cartoons that I watched when I was a kid. Just because Nick has all these new caracters coming out doesn't mean they are going to be popular with all kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasper Posted March 23, 2005 Author Share Posted March 23, 2005 I think that scooby doo kinda sucked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Bombay Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 Problem is I don't let my kids watch much of the Nick toons that you are talking about except SpongBob. My daughter who is 3 years old loves to watch the old cartoons that I watched when I was a kid. Just because Nick has all these new caracters coming out doesn't mean they are going to be popular with all kids. see your kids are into the older charecters, as am i and my sibblings but as time goes on your going to notice that the younger parents kids are into nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate of PKI Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 Problem is I don't let my kids watch much of the Nick toons that you are talking about except SpongBob. My daughter who is 3 years old loves to watch the old cartoons that I watched when I was a kid. Just because Nick has all these new caracters coming out doesn't mean they are going to be popular with all kids. Hate to break it to you but your kid is in the minority. It's good to hear that your kid is an exception and likes older cartoons, but most kids perfer new ones. Why? It's what is on TV to watch all day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gulliversrubadub Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 see your kids are into the older charecters, as am i and my sibblings but as time goes on your going to notice that the younger parents kids are into nick Your correct. Most parents let their children watch what they want when it comes to cartoons, however, my daughter loves to sit with me and watch the Jetsons, Flinstones, Scooby Doo, Smurfs, and Bugs Bunny. I think what ever KI does as far as a themed area for kids will be a success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Bombay Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 Thats true, and Its cool to hear your kids are into those shows. I love them as well! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erniebald57 Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 Man whatever happened to good ol' Nick. When I was a kid they had the classics like Pinwheel and You Can't Do That on Television...the originator of green slime. I'm waiting for a You Can't Do That marathon one day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gulliversrubadub Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 Man whatever happened to good ol' Nick. When I was a kid they had the classics like Pinwheel and You Can't Do That on Television...the originator of green slime. I'm waiting for a You Can't Do That marathon one day. That was the best show on Nick. What was the words to say if you wanted to get slimed? "I DON'T KNOW"! Great show. I also loved to watch Mr. Wizard. How time slips away as you get older. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jzarley Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 Getting back to potential ride removal... While I don't think removing anything is really necessary, my vote would be for either Vortex or Top Gun. However, Vortex's main benefit is its capacity...which I believe is one of the highest in the park? (1800 rph sticks in my head for some reason...) I guess I only listed Vortex because personally I just don't enjoy it that much anymore...I think I only rode it once all of last season. Top Gun suffers from capacity, duration, and placement issues. And since the "aircraft carrier" portion of the station has been closed, it doesn't even have any creative themeing to redeem it. To be honest, Paramount never would have chosen Top Gun in its current format for PKI...they were basically stuck with it because KECO was already too far into the contract with Arrow to back out at that point. (What was KECO's orginal name for TG? "Thunder Run" or something like that?) I've always imagined that if that hadn't been the case, our Top Gun may have very well been a B&M suspended like PGA's... (Or, maybe we would have just gotten DoT a year earlier...who knows.) I think taking out Adventure Express would be a big mistake. AE is one of the best mine rides ever built, both in terms of themeing and ride quality. In fact, I'd say it is second only to Big Thunder Mountain Railroad at DL & MK. It is easily one of the two best rides added during Lindner's ownership (Phantom Theater being the other...) Plus, it has great capacity, very good ridership, and appeals to a large demographic. (It's a great "trainer" coaster that lots of people can enjoy.) Joel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flightoffear1996 Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 Top Gun would be the first ride to go at least that is what I think but you never know what they may take out next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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