StXsteven Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 I talk to people on this board more.. I was talking to am employee on saturday. He told me they(pki) are competing with universal studios for 10 years. Ten they are going to be competing with Cedar Point. So for you pki workers, do you know where he got this from, and ifit is true or not. If you dont work for pki, id rather you not answer, but go ahead if you'd like. I wish I could remember his name. He has blonde hair, bigger guy, he was standing my massacre manor when I talked to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flightoffear1996 Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 Never listen to what those people say because they probaly dont know too much mroe than we do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Bombay Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 I work at beast, usually what most employees say is just crap heard from rumors. Its like that game telephone it starts out with one thing then ends up being another. 90% of the general employess dont know anything about whats coming in the future and how the park runs its business against other park chains. Some of us know stuff, most of us dont. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Picard Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 PKI and Cedar Point marketing area is 100 miles, so I say they don't compete.I live about 200 miles from both and I don't see anything other than a stray PKI or Carowinds Coke can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclaimer Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 While I wouldn't put too much faith in what the person said, for various reasons stated above, it would sort of make sense: PKI is installing heavily themed rides and attractions lately (BB, IJ, NU, etc.), which may continue for a few more years. After that 'phase', the park may move to installing more thrill rides to compete with Cedar Point for a few years. Maybe not ten, maybe not 5...I'm sure those timetables aren't set in stone... ...I also wouldn't call the installation of said attractions 'competition' but rather simply molding the park towards the various aspects of CP and Universal. I'm not saying the rumor is true, because it is just that: a rumor...I'm just saying, it would make sense for the park to move to this sort of phased style of attraction installation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Face/OffJZ Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 there is no way Paramount can compete with Cedar Point or Universal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Bombay Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 ^They already do, in fact they had a better year than CP this year and beat CP in attendance last year and possibly this year, plus Kings Islands childrens area is rated #1 out of every park in the United States. The U.S. may not beat CP or Universal in evey aspect but they do a darn good job in other areas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jzarley Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 CP and PKI do compete in that they share common markets (the largest of which is Columbus), and they compete for those entertainment dollars. They offer different experiences, but they compete for those families that may only go to one regional park a year and have to choose between CP and PKI. They don't "compete" with Universal in the sense that regional parks have a very different target audience than does a world-wide destination resort. PKI competes with Universal in the same way they "compete" with Las Vegas or Hawaii, in that they struggle to get their share of each consumer's leisure/entertainment dollar. That being said, Paramount Parks has definitely made an effort over the last several years to provide an experience that is more closely modeled on Disney or Universal in a regional market, than the standard "Six Flags-ish" thrill parks. (And, from the numbers, it seems to be paying off...) The whole "they'll 'compete' with Universal for ten years, then compete with CP for ten years" thing makes absolutely no sense, and sounds to me like some bored ride operator talking just hear him or herself talk... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKlockster Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 Never listen to what those people say because they probaly dont know too much mroe than we do. Not to mention the occasional disinformation... Some employees make up total BS when it comes to stuff - like why a ride is closed - it ran out of gas. Is FACE/OFF getting a second train next year? Probably. Is Vortex sinking? Definately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeLorean Rider Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The-Snapper Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 Who ever works at PKI really needs to not even post under these topics! Bc u will get Fired! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevengeofTheSmurfs Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 ^ They have no clue who you are but yeah to be safe I wouldnt give out the info where I worked etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomerJay Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 first off, I do think it's funny that employees worry about being fired for posting on the board. Listen...if you're good enough about keeping your identity a secret, PKI execs won't find out who posted. I'm sure your screenname isn't your real name, lol. And second, listening to an employee talk about what the future business goals of PKI are is like listening to a janitor at the White House talk about CIA secrets. The higher-ups don't share that information. Ride operators and seasonal employees (and I mean this with no offense) are pretty far down on the totem pole. Third, I don't think PKI necessarilly "competes" directly with Universal...CP may be more of a concern just due to its proximity. But I think what you're seeing with the paramount parks is an incorporation of the theme park and thrill park into something new and, honestly, pretty unique. PKI will never be a true vacation resort in the way that WWW or US is. But its theming, the amount of rides and the various types of attractions probably brings in more families than a park like CP, which caters pretty extensively to the thrill and enthusiast crowd. (Families bring in more $$ anyway which is, bottom line, what the biz is all about). fourth--this is unrelated, but its been on my mind. If anyone says they know a good strategy for the park because they've played Roller Coaster Tycoon...please punch them in the face. Roller Coaster Tycoon has NOTHING in common with the actual business of running a theme park. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jzarley Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 fourth--this is unrelated, but its been on my mind. If anyone says they know a good strategy for the park because they've played Roller Coaster Tycoon...please punch them in the face. Roller Coaster Tycoon has NOTHING in common with the actual business of running a theme park. You've actually heard people make that comparison with a straight face? <g> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRickster Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 Employee's have faced disciplinary actions for posting things on this site. If an employee does know some of the stuff to come etc it is because they are trusted with it and they wont be spreading anything. But as others have said, majority of the bottem level employee's just here rumors just as rumors go around on this site rumors go around the park as to whats being built next year etc. If you hear something just remember rumors are always rumors until the press release. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WooferBearATL Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 Employee's have faced disciplinary actions for posting things on this site. Please site examples of such. I only ask this as I find it very difficult to imagine or believe that anyone within park planning would go to the effort to investigate and to punish folk for posting information of that sort. Yes, people that are given "need to know" information know and understand that. It's not likly that someone provided privelidged information would discuss it so carelessly. Generally, additions and changes to the park would not be considered need to know information. In essence, any "Buzz" created by any source is looked upon as favorable by most marketing departments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FOF/Z 4-ever Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 When we get hired, we have to sign contracts stating that we will not give out any information if we know it or talk to the media. I have had friends who post on this site all the time and they have to stop due to PKI telling them to stop. They come back and post in the off season. I gave a verbal warning to one of my crew members because I found out about them writing things on here that they were not allowed to mention or not for public knowledge. If you work at PKI, you know what you can and cannot say. And yes, all the mangers do read these and so does GR. Some of them are even signed up on here, but remain hidden and does not post. But, they do read and they can figure out who you are by your name and your sig. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Picard Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 I seen that most stop posting when they started working at PKI and are now back. All the managers have to read here so they know what they are getting next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomerJay Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 But, okay...here's where I'm confused. . . . If you know that they read the site. And you know there's something you could post that people would want to know but would get you in trouble... Why not just put no signature so they don't know what ride you work at. Don't choose a username with your first or last name in it. If someone gets caught for posting something...it's their own stupidity for getting caught. I don't think the park has a bunch of crack investigators who dedicate their time to tracking down message board posters. I'm sure it's just "who did this...wel, duh, he gave us all the clues right here." It's not that you shouldn't post because you'd be in trouble...it's that if you don't have the brains to cover your tracks, you shouldn't post. I'm a journalist, by the way, so I am all for the posting of top secret information :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Picard Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 I am all for the posting of top secret information too so somebody post something and make it a good one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FOF/Z 4-ever Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 Some people do as u say to do, and some dont get caught at all. But, people talk and sooner or later, someone is going to find out that you are so and so and that is where u get into trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Face/OffJZ Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 1st of all, anyone can beat CP's kids area it's like the smallest thing ever i meant theres no way PKI cant compete w/ the rides /attractions at US Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoddaH1994 Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 Seriously people -- this topic seems to be ok, but I do personally know of employees who have said too much and gotten in trouble. Don't post anything in here that you wouldn't tell your best friend in front of your boss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skippy Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 Cedar Fair has been borrowing ideas from Paramount Parks for awhile now because of the sucess they've been having, and they've been getting good results by doing so So with Cedar Fair looking to take the Paramount Parks path, I seriously doubt Paramount Parks would take the (unsucessful) Cedar Fair path of adding thrill after thrill! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WooferBearATL Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 I don't think you could call Cedar Fair's path wrong by any stretch of the imagination. Cedar Point has always been and probably will be a force into the future. (Ugh, yes it's hard for me to say that even years after working at Kings Island.) It's true that all parks borrow ideas from each other. (Heck, the Festhaus idea came from Bush Gardens.) Even Disney took the idea of one price admission for rides from other parks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Bombay Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 But, okay...here's where I'm confused. . . . If you know that they read the site. And you know there's something you could post that people would want to know but would get you in trouble... Why not just put no signature so they don't know what ride you work at. Don't choose a username with your first or last name in it. If someone gets caught for posting something...it's their own stupidity for getting caught. I don't think the park has a bunch of crack investigators who dedicate their time to tracking down message board posters. I'm sure it's just "who did this...wel, duh, he gave us all the clues right here." It's not that you shouldn't post because you'd be in trouble...it's that if you don't have the brains to cover your tracks, you shouldn't post. I'm a journalist, by the way, so I am all for the posting of top secret information :-) Its still easy to find out who the person is....if the mods know PKI doesnt want that posted they can easily turn over the ip adress and name of the employee involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastersRZ Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 Not to mention that several full timers at PKI have been known to read these boards. As they say, those who don`t know tell, and those who know, don`t tell. If you value your job at PKI, you would keep information that isn`t public knowledge to yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jzarley Posted November 3, 2005 Share Posted November 3, 2005 Cedar Fair has been borrowing ideas from Paramount Parks for awhile now because of the sucess they've been having, and they've been getting good results by doing so  So with Cedar Fair looking to take the Paramount Parks path, I seriously doubt Paramount Parks would take the (unsucessful) Cedar Fair path of adding thrill after thrill! So...what exactly do you consider "unsuccessful" about Cedar Fair's profit of $99.3 million dollars for the 3rd Quarter? Keep in mind, that's still a higher profit number than what Viacom posted for theme parks & publishing combined... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Face/OffJZ Posted November 3, 2005 Share Posted November 3, 2005 ^^^^^ wow I would think CP's income would be less than that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoddaH1994 Posted November 3, 2005 Share Posted November 3, 2005 Cedar Fair has been borrowing ideas from Paramount Parks for awhile now because of the sucess they've been having, and they've been getting good results by doing so  So with Cedar Fair looking to take the Paramount Parks path, I seriously doubt Paramount Parks would take the (unsucessful) Cedar Fair path of adding thrill after thrill! So...what exactly do you consider "unsuccessful" about Cedar Fair's profit of $99.3 million dollars for the 3rd Quarter? Keep in mind, that's still a higher profit number than what Viacom posted for theme parks & publishing combined... $99.3 Billion? I'm going to go ahead and call "bull****" on this one. Let's see some sources. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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