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  1. Thats precisely what I was thinking. I was a little surprised the park didn't round up to 301. They easily could have and wouldn't really have been dishonest to do so. 300.9 would definitively put it above both I305 and MF in terms of drop for 7th, and if we exclude the two reverse free-falls as anomalies it would put it at 5th biggest drop... HOWEVER, if we're to include Red Force (which does not have an official drop listed, which is why its not showing up in the rankings - despite the fact it is reasonable to estimate around 350 ft), then Orion would fall at 6th biggest drop on a full-circuit coaster, and 4th biggest on one with a lift hill... EDIT: One thing that is important to note is the rankings depend on whether a "tie" constitutes multiple spots, or two coasters get lumped together into the same placing. (Superman and Tower of Terror II both at 3rd, and then Fury at "4th") . Wikipedia does the former, RCDB does the latter.
  2. I've always thought FOF's pre-show was done pretty well. Or at least, how can something like that NOT come off as "cheesy" at least to some extent.
  3. ^Sometimes, less is more... And I would say this is certainly one of those cases. Its for this reason why I had preferred Orion to Polaris this whole time.
  4. Now THAT much I am glad of. Very, very glad in fact... I-305 could be the name of the highway (and maybe it is). 'Fury325' to me sounds more like an internet screenname than it does a roller coaster!
  5. ^^Its the same case for I305 as well for whatever reason. Google claims 299, but RCDB, WIki, and even the press releases for both rides (1,2) say 300, which is what I'm willing to trust over the 299' figure. On this note. The location is one advantage that this will certainly have over both Fury and Leviathan. Won't be going past parking lots, will be going deep into the woods! I think many thinking it to look like "just a bigger Diamondback" were inevitable, no matter how it was designed. And in way, I can't say I blame them. Most of them don't know or care for who B&M is, so what they wonder is why the track style, trains, and restraints are so similar. They also can't seem to immediately tell the nuance between the two layouts, giving them the impression that its just the a bigger version of the non-looping sit-down already big coaster in DB. The other day I came across this comment on Youtube
  6. And on this note, the terrain utilization on The Beast is so drastic that I believe the highest point from lowest point on the ride is 201 ft? (At least thats what I remember Don saying in a backstage tour once). In other words, if it was built on a completely flat surface, it'd be a wooden hyper!
  7. And not only that. I can recall several Fast Laners, toward the guests waiting in the primary line, verbally gloating about how many times they'd ridden it before most hadn't ridden it once. Such a cringe-inducing moment that was. On the topic of Fast Lane (and admittedly offtopic of the thread) I am not opposed to the system in general, but do believe on too many occasions falls victim to mismanagement. Its supposed to be reduced wait, not NO wait. I also disagree with the notion that there isn't a noticeable impact on the waiting times of non-FL guests. They're most definitely is. Mathematically, there HAS to be. Holding the total number of rides constant, if a certain subgroup receives more rides than they would have gotten naturally, then that means less rides for eveyone else. What is truly being sold in a Fast Lane pass, is other guests' time/enjoyment... Its just a matter of selling enough time/enjoyment to make buying the upcharge worth it, but not so much that other guests are aggravated enough to where it affects their revenue/attendance otherwise...
  8. Agreed 100%. I will never for the life of me fathom why some enthusiasts would take joy in another park receiving what they speculate to be as an underwhelming or disappointing addition... This isn't like in sports where a "rival" team receiving a good player potentially could diminish their own chances of success, particularly if they end up in the same division/conference/league (ie. Giancarlo Stanton signing with the Yankees in 2017 - instead of the Red Sox; Bryce Harper going away from the Nationals and onto the Phillies). Had this coaster broken records, it would not have made Fury 325 any shorter, slower, or lower in quality than it is right now (nor any other ride, coaster, or attraction at Carowinds or any other park for that matter). I'm also tired of the smarmy comments such as the one made by "coasterbruh" legitimately hoping to see people upset. I put those comments in the same category as people actively hoping for certain rides to be removed simply because they don't like them. Such comments are rude, insensitive, and so unbelievably smug. No one here took enjoyment in seeing Carowinds fans upset/angry at historic Thunder Run being axed in 2015. And why would we? I for one actually greatly pity them for their loss. I know this is slightly offtopic, but what was so devastating about that removal, is not just that it left a very significant gap in what was already a subpar supporting lineup of coasters, is that a ride that can never be truly replaced, or at least not in any time-frame worth mentioning. Imagine walking down the midway of Coney Mall, looking off the left, and not seeing The Racer accentuate all those buildings and rides, as it does so very well. Would it really even BE Kings Island at that point? But I digress... Simply put, the experience of a ride at one park is completely independent from the experience of a ride at another. Therefore, it should not behoove any well-meaning enthusiast to want the latest addition at their non-home park to be 'disappointing'. If anything, you should hope for the opposite (Count me among those who really would like to finally see the next notable ground up coaster at NFJTP, ya know, the first one since...El Toro in 2006 :/ ) That having said, I'm sure that the comments discussed above do not represent CarowindsConnection as a whole and they're probably mostly nice people... But as for the individual predicting that this will be the 'weakest' of the three B&M gigas, all I have to is we'll just see that about... We will just wait and see...
  9. What might be surprising to some is if you go back through every major coaster installation that Cedar Fair has added to both KI and CP since being co-owned beginning in 2006, one would notice that the total amount of investment has been roughly similiar, if not in KI's slight favor. KI: 2007: Firehawk (Don't have an exact source, but I've read on here on multiple ocasion that the cost of relocating X-Flight was comparable to building it up ground-up; for our purposes, I'll estimate $10 million 2009: Diamondback ($22 million) 2014: Banshee ($24 million) 2017: Mystic Timbers (Est. $12 million*) 2020: Project X (Est. $30 million*) CP 2007: Maverick ($21 million) 2013: GateKeeper ($25 million) 2016: Valravn (Est. $18 million*) 2018: Steel Vengeance (Est. $20 million*) *As far as I can tell, 2015 appears to be the last year in which Cedar Fair released the official costs or major rides. So in place I put rough estimates based on similar rides. So in sum, about $95-100 million have been spent on coasters alone at KI, and about $80-85 million respectively spent at Cedar Point. These numbers, of course, do not include the plethora of flat ride, waterpark expansions/improvements, area renovations etc. which both parks have had no shortage of in the past 13 years. This begs the question, why do some subscribe so firmly to mindset that Cedar Fair has been actively trying to 'check' KI's prominence so as to not diminish the allure of their namesake park. Because "if you watch what they do", one would see that doesn't appear to be the case... Yes, one could say KI is till solidly behind CP in terms of coasters (few parks aren't). But I wouldn't say thats from Cedar Fair's own doing, considering that both parks have been getting coasters at basically the same rate. SOB and Tomb Raider as the big investments at about the same time CP getting MF and TTD. That was the time in which KI truly fell behind. Because up through 1996, with KI getting Flight of Fear (at the time unique and groundbreaking) along with Beast, Racer, Vortex, Top Gun and CP getting Mantis along with Raptor, Magnum, Gemini, already there, the parks' were pretty similar in world-classness. But unfortunately it would not be until 2009 for KI to get another standout- ground up coaster (Diamondback). Long story short.... We are most definitely a 'have' park, as the video states...
  10. I wouldn't necessarily say that. While it is listed under the same model as all their "hypers" under 300ft, it was the first one to feature the backbone required such a big drop. That IS the defining characteristic of B&M gigas, if there is one. After all, I believe there was a time when B&M said they wouldn't go 300ft+. I dont have an exact source on that but Ive heard about them also saying they wouldn't do launched coasters (until Thunderbird of course). So in that sense, Leviathan arguably was a prototype. One in which B&M was taking a slight risk by testing what their track/technology could handle. So no, it most obviously was not a "failure", but it does seem as if they went conservative on the design elements so as to not put undue stress on the track, thus resulting in an arguably bland layout. But with Leviathan working out, that gave them the green light to go more imaginative with Fury. On this note, besides the stats I would say that Project X differs greatly from Leviathan. A Stengel Dive, reverse wave turn, shanbhala helix, and hive dive turn at the end are all things not found on Leviathan. This is why I believe that although the stats arent quite what had been hoping for, strong elements can make up for them.
  11. I must say that I'm pleasantly surprised by the sudden flurry of posters/signs that have manifested themselves over the past week or so. What was looking more and more like the reality of there being no teasers at all for this coaster, they've hit us with perhaps the most creative and inventive campaign I've seen yet!
  12. To those who are claiming AE to be "towards the end of its service life" - some food for thought... Runaway Mine Train (SFOT), Dahlonega Mine Train, and Cedar Creek Mine Ride, the first three mine trains built, are still operating at 53, 52, and 50 years old respectively. Adventure Express is 28.
  13. If I may pose this question, would KCKC still be around today even if Paramount hadn't removed it (that is lasted 13 years through Cedar Fair's ownership)? Personally, I have hard time believing so. Industry-wide, traditional dry-park water rides are a dying breed, and are becoming ever less relevant in the advent of more innovative Mack and Intamin water coasters such as Pulsar or Speed, respectively. Cedar Fair removed Carowind's lone water ride in 2016. Do you really think this same company would have justified having keeping what was four water rides at KI. I can't think of any park that has more than 3 dry park water rides, and typically the formula goes log/boat/rapids - a formula which is satisfied already with the current RFYLCB, Congo Falls, and White Water Canyon. Simply put, I believe the removal was just a matter of sooner rather than later. I highly doubt it would be standing today if Paramount didn't axe it. And besides, they obviously did not intend for TR:TR to end up being just a big beige box used only for Haunt time/storage. It was a wild (great) idea - just fell short on execution. Tomb Raider in its full glory, and with the mystery it invoked, I personally believe was a worthy replacement for the time being. And ...who do we have for the foliage and seclusion of Rivertown being decimated by a giant red coaster towering over the midway? ( Just for the record, I don't actually have much of a problem with DB's placement, given that its a good ride, but this is something that is often overlooked by those who critique Paramount's decisions yet give Cedar Fair a pass on this - a double standard, if you will. DB diminished the area's feel FAR more than so-called "ugly" beige box ever could, IMO.)
  14. The cold hard fundamental economic question is whether they can bring in at least 50% +1 of the previous usage with the new prices. If so, it is a net gain (not accounting for initial cost of tokens of course). If it is even 50% -1, it is a net loss.
  15. Honestly. If there had been teasers now, I think a lot of this bickering would have naturally subsided (or at least, not have surfaced in the first place). But since there aren't. We have next to nothing to discuss, so we're literally trying to find something to argue about. Therefore, I can't say I really blame either "side", (if you want to call it that), in this "debate" currently transpiring. This always happens when we have nothing to talk about. If the park would just put out some darn teasers already, we actually could be having a meaningful discussion about 2020.
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