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Ask AZ Kinda Guy Brian-If anyone started a "flame war" it was you. He said you were wrong, and look at your reaction.

^ If Vortex commented, he would have sunk to a new low.

The only part of the ride's structure that will still be standing by the end of the month will be the station, which will continue to be used for the Wolf Pack maze at Halloween Haunt.

Where was the question asked as to which is cheaper to maintain? Questions are one thing. Opinions are another. Unlabeled speculation masquerading as fact? No one should be surprised or offended when it gets corrected. Certain expert authors here may at times lack tact, but they are of the opinion it gets old when know very littles try to claim more knowledge than they have. Leaving such unsubstantiated, untrue statements unchallenged in the name of politeness only contributes to the spreading of "facts" that aren't. This is a discussion forum, not a high tea at the country club. Terpy, who prefers to ask questions

My take on these flame wars is this: Lots of users think themselves as expert on everything regarding roller coasters as to their constructions, ride specs, upkeep, technical data, ride experiences, and so forth all because they like to ride them over and over again. They go to the manufacturers web site and gain all the knowledge they can. But the average person only cares about how the ride feels and can care less who makes it and how it is constructed, like me. But when someone comes here and tries to explain why they feel that a wooden coaster is cheaper to maintain vs a steel coaster, all based on their opinion, they get flamed. These users decide this web site is not for them due to how its long time members treat them and don't come back. These "roller coaster" experts gain their knowledge base on their non-stop rides on the coasters that they enjoy and visiting the web sites of companies that construct the rides and not on them being engineers that design the rides and their construction. Users like me and the ones being flamed only care about how the ride feels and ask a question on how they feel what cost more to maintain like in this question on is it cheaper to cut wood on wooden coasters or fabricate new steel and supports on steel coasters, We should try to encourage users to voice their opinions and not flame them if these experts here decide they are wrong and flame them. Otherwise, users like these will come and decide that this site is not for them and quit. Just be thankful that this is not a pay site and if it was, it would be loosing revenue and would not be open for long, as sites that I have been a member of. We need to be more civil with each other and this is my opinion.

The Steel Party may impress people with some height, but the Wooden Party is tried and true. The Racer has a proven track (ha?) record of reaching across the aisle, bringing together both the blue and red sides. Vote Beast/Racer at the polls this off-season!

See, you learn something new everyday at KIC!I always thought his name was AZ Kinda Guy. I did not know it was Richard! (btw, you forgot a comma! just sayin')

I just hope Vortex is around long enough for my 3-year-old daughter to ride it. Every time we went to KI this summer she asked if she was tall enough to ride the "loopty-loop" yet. She really wants to ride it! She just hit 40 inches early in the season, so I don't expect her to hit the 48 inch mark until at least the 2014 season, and that's wishful thinking. I want her to be able to experience one of my favorite rides. :-)

I'm glad Boomerang Bay can't win again. It was becoming old and needed refreshed.

Face Off is Invertigo now....

There are nicer ways to tell someone they are wrong than being a know it all dick.

For reasons often stated before, I highly doubt any reputable coaster manufacturer would want any part of re-using any part of Son of Beast. Besides, we have been told the footings will be removed.

Apollo Global is an investment group. Anything and everything it owns is for sale any time at the right price, whether it is actively being marketed or not.

I visited Geauga Lake and Sea World the summer of 1991 and loved it! The Big Dipper was a fantastic wooden coaster and I am glad I took that opportunity to ride it! I recall having a bit of motion sickness after sitting through their cinema 180 attraction, however. This was the first and only time an amusement park ride/attraction has made me ill...well, not counting International Bandstand Karaoke during the 90's There is a charm in smaller parks like this and it's always so sad to witness them being wiped off the map Bigger is not always better!

I KNEW you'd say that! I hope this is just a rumor, in my opinion, and I really hope Vortex continues to operate for at least a few years to come. It is actually a big dream of mine to work on Vortex when I'm old enough (16) and right now I'm 13, so it wouldn't be until 2015 that I would first be able to apply for and possibly achieve that dream. As one of Vortex's big big big fans, I would be CRYING if we lost Vortex.

You must be new to the Internet.

Remember when Brian5475E trumpeted his inside knowledge about the future of SOB and hinted that it would be saved? Don't be a Summer's Eve.

I wonder if Kings Island PR laughs at all The Vortex rumors they hear every year? First it was sinking, Now its leaving.....

It would however be so cool if they bought the Cincinnati lodge next door, made it Kings Island themed, maybe Snoopy camping? Then a real camp ground out back, where you could use the water park, and real cabins !

I "learn" the darnest things here.

Iron Dragon ran all 3 trains this past season at CP. I think the reason why they don't run 3 trains per side on Gemini anymore is cause they don't need 3 trains as the ride isn't as popular as it was in the 70's and 80's and early 90's. Corkscrew usually rotates trains every year. Gemini and Corkscrew stopped running three trains because of gates and seatbelts. The station time increased and caused stacking issues.

The Wood Party's Response: "We disowned the Son of The Beast 12 years ago, allowing him to break himself out of his cage in Action Zone and wreak havoc on the general public. He was finally tracked down and in the process of being euthanized at the moment. The Beast feels no sorrow towards his son, knowing that it was a foolish mistake he made in his early 20's."

BREAKING NEWS: Activist lawyer Scrambler has unearthed some dirt on Racer! It seems that the Wood party vice-presidential contender once actually ran backwards, and for what appears to have been a very long time! Beast campaign headquarters released a statement saying that this was "old news," and that we need to get on with tackling more important issues... Developing...

The conference call announcement of a three year capital investment in hotel properties at Cedar Point of between $15 and $20 million annually focused on a "refreshment program" and developing a three tiered room and pricing strategy characterized as good, better, best. Focus groups and other intelligence strategies will be employed to better understand guest expectations and attending price points. Cedar Fair also announced the removal and relocation of employee dorms from the Point to free up valuable property for future development. That nature of that development was not clear. Hotels, attractions, or ride expansions were not specified. What was clear was the search for dynamic pricing knowledge and strategies to allow for hotel revenue and profit maximization. Cedar Point was identified as having an inventory of 800 rooms. Refreshment costs would run from $56,250.00 to $75,600.00 per room. These are significant costs for a program which is not identified as a rebuild or remodel program. Construction costs for budget/economy hotels are currently estimated at $56,100.00 [excluding land costs].* With talk of suites on the conference call it is not clear if the 800 room inventory count will increase, decrease, or remain steady. One wonders if hotels outside the gates could be acquired at prices similar to the cost of planned refreshments. In any event this announcement represents a major project is on the horizon. Given Cedar Fair could build budget/economy rooms as cheaply from scratch it represents a major undertaking. Refreshment may not be the right term to characterize the plans. *http://www.hvs.com/Content/3235.pdf Leland Wykoff

When I first saw this I thought, oh no, politics on KIC...there will be some huge war then a bunch of people will end up being banned... ..then I realized it was about rides at Kings Island.

Updated post You can update your posts all you want, you still don't and won't know what you're talking about. And you know it all, Correct? No wonder membership has dwindled here. With douche bags like you jumping down people throats and acting like you are the know all, end all in roller coasters. I never said I knew anything for sure. This was my guess. Or perhaps membership has "dwindled" because of supposed know-it-alls like you.

I still remember the excitement of seeing those empty footings right after they were poured. Touring the construction area with Angie Arnold and later with Dave Focke. I never, ever thought back then I'd see them empty yet again.

There's a reason I don't comment on what it takes to run a food stand simply because well, I don't know.

Yes, it will be retired soon. Vortex is still sinking......

That is the joke in itself...you came closer to getting to the point without even trying. Personally I like that The Interpreter has put me and others on their toes around here...I always try and Interpreter-proof any questions that I post on here...an amusement park site.

Thanks everyone for a great time on Sunday! It was chilly, but I escaped a rainy day in Columbus for a thankfully-dry Mason, so I didn't care. Closing Day is a great day to visit - crowds are minimal yet enthusiastic! For the second meet-up in a row, I volunteered to help with coordinating everything and getting people synced up. Even with minimal lines everywhere, name tags, a widely communicated time/location, a mobile number for late arrivals, and personal invitations to everyone from KICentral I could find during ERT - this was much harder than I thought it would be. On to the trip report: I was the 5th car at the park at 9:20am, before the parking gates opened. I managed to get the closest parking spot to the gate on the north half of the parking lot. At the front gate, jcgoble3, ohiocolts, DiamondAceExpress, Vortexfreak, and I found each other. I had printed nametags for everyone who asked me for one or who indicated they'd be at ERT, but unfortunately they weren't sticky enough for the combination of nylon jackets and roller coasters. Fortunately, I had printed extra sheets of name tags due to them jamming in the printer, so I we had replacements as they blew away. Unfortunately, we papered the park with stray name tags. (Next time, we need something more secure - tags with clips, wristbands, t-shirts, etc.) At Diamondback ERT, several people saw my name tag and greeted me. Unfortunately, I don't remember all their names. I had enough of Diamondback after 6 rides, so I stayed off and took some pictures. (If you see yourself, let me know and I'll include your name) KI-ORIG-EMP will appreciate this photo: Just before the park opened, jcgoble3, ohiocolts+family, and I found each other again near the Eiffel Tower. We all rode Flight of Fear together with no line, then four of us (ohiocolts, jcgoble3, myself, ohiocolts's dad) tried to ride Firehawk - also without a line. Unfortunately, Firehawk got stuck and trapped us right after the seats were lowered. After laying down in the train and talking for 16 minutes, we were released. After blocking off the malfunctioning seat and doing a test run, they let us back on for a successful ride. ohiocolts's dad managed to take pictures with his phone while we were stuck in the ride, so read his report for those. After a ride on Delirium, jcgoble3 and ohiocolts decided to ride Xtreme Skyflyer together for $5 each. Meanwhile, I walked around the park to recover a bit from all the riding. Later, we attempted to have lunch at Rivertown Junction before the Tower Drinks meet-up and share ohiocolts's 30% food discount from FunPerks, but it was closed for the day (and season). We didn't have much time before the meet-up, so we rode The Beast instead. We arrived at Tower Drinks early, where Don was already waiting on the KIC group to arrive. To give Beastie1980 time to arrive, we waited until about 1:35 for the group picture. Here's our first group picture, of those who actually showed up on time. After the picture, Don surprised us all by inviting us to a tour of The Beast later in the day. (Thanks again, Don!) After the photo, ohiocolts suggested that we all eat Hanks burritos in the Festhaus while catching the Graveyard Shift show. Several of us decided to do that, and TheCrypt finally found us as we were eating. (Thanks again for sharing that 30% discount, Matt and Lucas!) Halfway through Graveyard Shift, we left to join everyone else at The Beast. While passing The Crypt building (Madam Fatale's Cavern of Terror), TheCrypt asked us to bow our heads in respect. Thanks to Don catching some who didn't come to the meet-up, the KIC group grew in size considerably. ohiocolts took lots of video with his iPod: First lift hill: Over the hill: Into the tunnel: The terrain is hilly: Double-helix: Camera Reset: Don took another group picture and tweeted it on the @KingsIslandPR Twitter account: http://via.me/-6fsszwy After the tour, I tried to take the entire group to ride The Beast at once: That didn't work out so well as we entered a very crowded Beast station. We ended up riding two different trains and causing some empty row dispatches. We split back up after that, and I joined ohiocolts, jcgoble3, and Beastie1980 for a ride on Flight Deck, where ohiocolts found VortexBFForever. We separated yet again as ohiocolts and VortexBFForever used ohiocolts's FunPerks voucher for Sling Shot. Later, we got back together for Racer, Adventure Express (including a train with just KIC'ers), and Vortex. The group separated entirely for the last hour in the park. As is tradition, there was a large group of people from KICentral and ACE for Beast final rides. Because of the group size, we had 3 trains of "final rides". I took the first train, sitting next to Mrs. Gator, so I could get pictures of the next two: Last train! jcgoble3 and someone else in the last row of the last train: Kings Island is officially closed! Again, I'd like to thank everyone who helped make this meet-up a success. It was great to meet so many people, and I had a really good time. Next time, we should try to get a large group together for longer so that more people can meet each other. We broke up rather quickly after the tour meet-up, lots of people didn't make it to Tower Drinks, and the park was (obviously) closed following the last ride. It might be nice to organize a group lunch ahead of time, for example. Riding things in the park with a small group of KIC'ers, yet again, was fun. As far as I know, the only such group was the same one that formed for the Haunt meet-up - with jcgoble3, ohiocolts+DiamondAceExpress+family, Beastie1980, myself, and occasionally other people. It might be fun for more and different such groups to form. (Especially for those who end up going alone.) In any case, we really need to do meet-ups like this more often next year!

Especially if the S is s. Perhaps tomorrow I'll go towards Kings Island if they plan on bringing it down at a set time. I'd like to watch.

Who could have imagined a watered-down party could be old & crusty?It is refreshing to know that the political race is now over, the old has been removed, and we don't have to listen to them anymore!

Villain was a blast, unfortunately the park's atmosphere had already been destroyed by the time it was built. The park's heyday was in the '80s and early to mid '90s. The flagging was the beginning of the end.

I just have to ask, why is it necessary to start a flame war and be nasty online?

Updated post You can update your posts all you want, you still don't and won't know what you're talking about. Let me get some popcorn. This is getting good.

I just want to know how the park's iconic central symbol got passed up as a nominee for the Tower Party.

I just hope when the day comes that Vortex does get retired, they give it's fans a chance to say goodbye. But I hope this isn't going to be for quite a few more years.

Don't be a

Bascially I'm saying you're wrong about it being cheaper to maintain wood then steel. In the grand scheme of things(which is what matters) steel coasters are easier and cheaper to maintain than wood coasters. You come across as if you know what you're talking about but in reality, you don't.

You know, come to think of it, Drop Tower does look kind of bigger than most other Drop Towers.... Flight of Fear might be on to something here...

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Father of CoasterBob63, son of CoasterBob61 & husband to CoasterRoberta17.

No, but they can chunky-dunk.

Yep!! I inboxed him one day on youtube asking him to join back in September and he joined! Hows that for an invite?

I am sure that someone has

He's definitely one of a kind. What's next at Fiesta Texas? Go Ask Alice!

A gentler version of MaXair, further south.

The good ol' days, when the park had a clear vision of what it should be. No mega expansion, no mega licenses, no mega prices. A local picnic park with beautiful grounds, a solid ride collection, and a price that the locals could afford.

This is one of the reasons why reentry is not permitted during Haunt. We would not want those idiots going to their car and having a nip or two then come back and do things like that. It only takes a few to cause major problems.