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If CF was contemplating building a hotel (hey it's a wild stab) I would think that there could be a major ride that follows. Something like when CP added the tower section to Hotel Breakers which started in 1997 and opened in 1999. In 2000 a little blue coaster opened that would go 92 mph. (Yeah, I hear you laughing at me- One can dream!)

^ Over 90% of the normal world (hey we are all enthusiasts- nothing normal about us! ) won't even know the difference.

^Station modification? That is the easy part. Adjusting prox switches, photo eyes, blocks etc. would be more of a concern. And never say never. If a 3 car train is what it takes to get the multi-million dollar lawn ornament operating, you can bet your pressed SoB logo coin that is exactly what CF will do.

^ Great pics! I especially like the ones of BGE. That is one of a very few parks that I just don't care how much money it costs to get in or how much food costs. Everything is just beautiful, and the food is fantastic. I'm getting itchy to go again. You should do a trip report. Also- When I logged on this morning and saw the new picture of Jimmy Neutron, Diego, Dora, SB, and Patrick it hit me. PITTSBURGH CHEATERS OFFENSIVE LINE! Ahhh, Training camp is 5 weeks away!

I am not an engineer, but I would have to imagine that to get an accurate test you would need the entire train that you intend on operating. Unless this was just the test to see on how the track gauging modifications came out, and how it will glide *snicker, snicker* on the track.

Well speaking of prices... The US Open was in my neck of the woods this past weekend (Oakmont, PA). I did not have the privilege of attending, but some of the guys I work did go. Now this was told to me, I did not actually see this information myself, so take it for what it is worth. Ticket for Friday- $100 Small bottle of water- $5 Hot Dog- (sit down for this!) $20 Now since I did not go to the US Open, I did go to the Cleveland Zoo Saturday morning/ early afternoon & then to the Cleveland Indians game later in the afternoon. My wife made sandwiches & we brought bottled water & Cracker Jacks. We could bring 4 bottles into the stadium with us. Erie Zoo season pass, good for most zoos nationwide, including free admission to Cleveland Metroparks Zoo & Rainforest- $65 4 Indians tickets- $80 35 pack of bottled water- $3.49 4 snow cones at baseball game- $4.00 Nachos- $4.00 3 bags of Cracker Jacks- $4.50 (at the stadium they are $3.50 each) I truly do enjoy family events. And I don't have to take out a Home Equity Loan to do it!

So we should go back to prohibition and outlaw alcohol? We know that is in the hands of the wrong people, it is unsafe. McDonald's? We know that it is unhealthy. NFL? We know there are career threatening and potentially life threatening injuries. Walking across the street? We know people get hit by cars everyday. There are many things that will or can hurt us. Yet we still do them. Granted, nobody wants injuries, especially again at KI and on SoB. If the park came out saying that the ride was going to be: greater than ever, new and improved, or the greatest wooden coaster ever, I would agree with you. But the park has been very, very quiet about everything. If it was not for enthusiast events, we would know less than we do now. I believe that the last press release about SoB was back in mid- Demember. T-Shirts & pressed coins are nothing to be read into.

^^ Seatbelts? Yeah. that's a given. I bet there will be more garbage cans in the queue as well. Maybe a picture of a garbage can on the train too. Does anyone remember when at CP, you would go into a different section of the park and the picture on the garbage can would change for the particular major ride in that area? Those cans looked great!

Why do you hate it so much?

To tell you the truth, I am glad there are no headrests. For rides like TTD, FoF, and Maverick- yes headrests are nice. But for a ride like Beast or Racer I never put my head back, the train shakes too much. Well, it does look as if the park is attempting to have the ride up by the 4th. That is, assuming of course, the structure tests are already done by both the state and the third party.

^ OK, I have to ask. What exactly is "slow as poop"? And tickets are not $25/ person for Jet Express. They are only $16. http://www.jet-express.com/ticketssandusky.html

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/cu...adlines-tourism IoA is going to try and be as authentic as possible? This should look fantatic when completed. This could be the biggest thing since a mouse was driving a boat!

^ How are they being dishonest? There has not been a press release stating that there is an opening date. I don't know how the park has lead anyone on as to if it is even going to re-open at all. I'm sure if you ask any employee of the park, the common response would be something like: "The loop was taken out, there has been talk of it opening possibly in July." Not to mention that with the ACE convention last week, I am willing to bet that those that were in attendence (and those specific people know as much as we do- unlike the general public) spent the most money on SoB merchandising.

Put-in-Bay is certainly the place to go for a great time if you are going to be in Northern Ohio (for those over 21). FYI- There is also a Jet Express that leaves from Sandusky to Put-in-Bay as well. It saves about a 40 mile round trip to Port Clinton, and parking in Sandusky is cheaper. You may also want to check out Toledo. There is usually some nice things going on at the museum there.

On the whole scale of things, does it really matter? People don't have to buy it if they choose not to. They can see that the ride is SBNO. I would rather see the park concentrate on trying of fix SoB's issues than worry about petty things like this. Even when I went down to BGE (when it was BGW) back in 2000 they still were selling "Fear the Five" T-shirts that included Drachen Fire. And DF closed in the summer of '99 and never re-opened.

You are correct. Check this out about SoB: http://www.rcdb.com/document31.htm Trains Three trains, with six cars each, holding a total of 36 riders per train. Hourly Capacity 1,600 guests There are 3 trains, but it never ran 3 trains like it was supposedly designed for. RCDB usually is very accurate, but it is the minor things that sometimes get overlooked.

^ Be sure to wait for the front row for SheiKra. I have heard that the views looking down are incredible with the floorless trains!

^Parent Swap is a great program that most parks have nowadays. One adult will wait in line for a ride while another adult will wait with the kids. The adult waiting in line will go on the ride, and when done give a ride op the parent swap ticket and meet up with the adult with the kids. That adult will then go up the exit ramp and get on the ride w/o waiting again. If there is another child or adult in the group that is tall enough to ride they can re-ride as well. Some rides it is much easier than others to be on the exit ramp with a stroller. That is where the Motorolas come in handy. The parent swap ticket can be obtained from guest services.

^ I don't know anybody that has panic attacks, so I am rather ignorant to the specific conditions. It just seems to me that if someone would have this type of condition would also have an issue being at the park with a large crowd around them. As well as have an issue waiting in line with multiple people they don't know around them in rather close areas. What do they do at 3+ hour sporting events? Buy the seats on either side of them? I would certainly hope that if a person would experiance these types of attacks would not go to a park alone so that they would have a good friend(s) with them and not be put into these types of situations.

Well, I have 2 younger kids, so I will make an attempt to help out. 1. I have never used the rentals. The double stroller we had was perfect for both kids as well as made for a great carrier for all the necessities with have two kids in the park. But the down side was fitting all out stuff in the SUV as well as the double stroller. There is a definite positive and negative to both sides. 2. Sure there are some great rides for the kids. My kids were not really scared of any ride. But I would definately not force them to ride anything, that could cause more harm than good in the long run. 3. I would not miss a thing! The parent swap program is there to be used. I usually bring Motorolas so my wife and I can communicate as to where I am at in the line, or as to things were going when she was feeding etc. When the kids start to get tired, then hit the big rides. 4. Characters are always roaming. 5. I have never been told to throw out any water bottles or snacks for the kids. But I also had the items stored in the stroller carrier. 6. I have not yet brought my kids to BB yet. I can do pretty much the same things at BB as I can at home. I want to do the stuff at KI that is unique. A waterpark to me is just another waterpark. 7. Lots & lots of sunscreen! Two or three times during the day. Also, if the kids are getting too restless, go back to the car, turn on the AC, and take a powernap (and a relaxing beer!). It has saved my day at the park numerous times without leaving the parking lot. Hang out near the games. Many people will win stuffed prizes and turn around and give them to my kids. It helps the day go by easier! (ya, ok, it's cheap & cheesy, but it works! ) And have fun yourself. It is as much for you as it is for them.

Not to start a big pi$$ing contest, but where do you get the authority to decide if someone gets to ride with you or not? Everyone paid to get into the park. They have as much right to ride as you do. Also, why is is uncomfortable to ride with someone you don't know? Keep an open mind, you could find a person that is rather unique and become good friends. This whole thing reminds me of the Looney Toon cartoon where Bugs is with Christopher Columbus and they find the New Land. CC sticks his flag into the ground and says "No Bugs Bunny, this is my land!" (or something like that) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hare_We_Go

http://www.cleveland.com/ap/stories/index....list=topstories

From the KI website: RIDE RATING SYSTEM DEFINITIONS To better assist you in choosing attractions you may wish to experience, each of our rides has been rated according to the following system. Ratings are based on the intensity, speed, and directional changes of each individual ride. Please be aware of the recommendations and requirements for each ride. Category Description {1} Low Thrill Rides: Rides that are generally calm and gentle in nature. {2} Mild Thrill Rides: Rides that generally have low speeds with gentle motion braking. Rides have smooth transitions with some changes in elevation and speed. {3} Moderate Thrill Rides: Rides that generally have low to medium speeds and/or heights with moderate motion and braking. Riders may encounter unexpected changes in direction and/or speed during portions of the ride. {4} High Thrill Rides: Rides that generally have medium to high speeds and/or heights with moderate to rapid braking. Riders may encounter unexpected changes in speed, direction and/or elevation. {5} Aggressive Thrill Rides: Rides that generally have one or more of the following: high speeds and/or heights, aggressive and unexpected forces, and rapid directional or elevation change. Riders will encounter many unexpected rapid changes in speed, direction and/or elevation. http://www2.cedarfair.com/kingsisland/docs...ility_guide.pdf According to this, AE should be a {4}. But I would also think Vortex should be a {5}. Perhaps it has something to do with being able to see all of Vortex vs. AE which is difficult to see from the midway.

What ever happened to safety being the most important thing? So the park had to make a decision between being safe or losing the precious ACE Coaster Classic status. Whoopdeedoo. I would honestly tell ACE to keep their plaque. 90% of the people that are guests in the park have no idea what ACE is anyway.

Why should someone have to ask to sit in a seat that is next to yours? You don't own the seat. I would rather see a full train cycle than a train with single riders in multiple seats. If the ride operators do not attempt to fill all the seats, that only means longer waits for the people behind you. My wife and I are still using the parent swap program. We understand that chances are, we will not ride together. Most times, both of us will get multiple dirty looks from guests that do not understand the program. The last thing I would ever do is have another single rider wait an extra cycle because I am not willing to let them sit down unless they ask.