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My first experiance with metal detectors at a park was many years ago, first a Kennywood, and then later that year at PKD. My first impression was, "What happened hear that they now need this type of security?!?" Quite honestly, it made me nervous at first. While the detectors may be an effective deterrant, they in no way prevent anything. A person could get anything into the park at anytime. Granted, you have to do some creative thinking, but it would not be hard. Oh yeah, I forgeot to mention that a person that would want to bring in (a weapon in this case) has to be rather sick in the head. Is the park safer that the detectors are there? Sure it is somewhat safer. I also believe that when any establishment tries on promoting security that is easily seen (for this discussion, the detectors), it also promotes someone who is rather imbalanced to try and do something just to see if they can get away with it. It is kind of like waving a red flag in front of a bull.

There have been many that have commented about the food pricing. It seems that some believe that it is only CF that is behind the current pricing, and I am not trying to defend CF in any way. But take a look at this from not too long ago: http://www.KICentral.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=7288 http://www.KICentral.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=3328 I am just wondering if it is just the way that the industry is, not just this year, but the way it has been for many years, and we are just rather upset about it due to other prices going up as well, especially gas.

When I brought my kids there a few years back, and they were infants, we had no issues bringing anything into the park. It was all in the diaper bag or in the stroller basket, security hardly looked at the items. And if the park would not allow things like that to be brought in, I could only imagine the lawsuit and bad press the park would get. And for the whole Vault discussion, that is really terrible. How can the park stop someone from entering, when the item was bought on park property? Sealed or unsealed, it should not make a difference. The park made money from the purchase didn't they? If it was their intention to not allow guests to bring in the drinks, there should be some type of signage declaring the rules, or even better, get rid of the machines all together. What a great way to treat your guests before they even enter the park!

^ The removal of FC really did not have anything to wit the accident. The investigation clearly showed that the guest was intoxicated. Additionally, the restraints were redesigned to prevent it accident from happening again after the 1991 season and the ride was removed after the 1995 season. I also believe that single riders were not allowed also as a result of the accident (I may be incorrect about that fact).

First, X-Flight was at the very entrance to GL. Second; Beast, FoF and Vortex are at the back of the park (from your point of view). Their location has not seemed to shy people away from riding those coasters. I am wondering what location has to do with any 2008 project.

That is terrible, yet rather funny. At least you made the most of your trip by taking a detour to CP. I can remember that for many years KI was close to the public the first Sunday in June. My cousin graduated from high school (as matter of fact, it was the same year as the Secadas), and we were planning to hit KI on Sunday just to find out that they were closed on our way down Saturday morning. We ended up leaving the graduation party early and went to KI Saturday night. Then we found out that if you could prove that you drove for more than 150 miles (I think that was the distance), they would let you in the park on Sunday. Score one for PKI's customer service department!

Well if that is what you are looking for, absolutely.

Burger Chef? Is that a Southern franchise?

And another about a fundraiser last night: http://www.meadvilletribune.com/homepage/l..._160233807.html

^ I would have to say SoB has had way more issues than TTD. TTD did have many issues it's first year, but has ran decent since. Currently, SoB is 11 months SBNO. TTD has never had that much downtime. Also, I would find it hard to believe that TTD would not be here in 10 years. Yes Mr. Kinzel did say that TTD was his worst decision (and I applaud him for his honesty) but he also has kept other rides that were admitted poor decisions as well (see DT). And really, what good would removing TTD do? They would have to bring in the same set of cranes that built it, the footprint is not THAT big (it is very thin), and I can still see people still enjoying it 10 years from now. Never say never, but I would be very surprised.

And, unfortunately for the park, so many little things had to add up for the event to occur.

Both Disney and McD's quailty are a matter of opinion. (At one time, we all believed McD's was the only place to eat, and get a free toy with our happy meal) Disney may happen to have many uses for plastic, but unfortunately in today's world, almost everything is plastic. Quite honestly, when I was there for my honeymoon (BTW, my 7 year anniversary is today- yippee! ), I really did not notice how much plastic they used in their themeing. What I did notice was the detail that Disney put into everything, how clean the parks were, and how almost all the employees want you to have a magical time. But I will take the lesser of two evils. I would rather have Disney themeing with plastic, than no Disney themeing at all.

Flume at CP= White Water Landing Flume at KI= Kenton's Cove Keelboat Canal Both were really fun, family, water rides. I was very happy to get my daughters on WWL back in the fall of '05, especially since my youngest just turned 4. I miss them as well. It is difficult to find a water ride today that does not get you completely soaked to the bone.

FC was a decent flat- at best. It looked better than it really was.

^If you also look in the "status" column, you can see that it is in the - stage. It basically means that the ride is in storge as of 2002. Much like Batman The Escape from AstroWorld. Click on the coaster name, and everything is spelled out.

^ I started thinking that Maverick had some very annoying music like on It's a Small World or Splash Mountain.

^That is because CP was not as warm as you would think. Lake Erie is just starting to hit 60 degrees this week. Now if you would drive South from the lake about 5 miles in May, the temperature will actually warm up 10 degrees.

^ FYI http://www.rcdb.com/ir.htm?cls=277&des...=1&order=-6

Don't know how I did a double post. Sorry all!

That is an intresting comment. Especially since CF just bought a bunch of parks that have wooden coasters. For a company that hates someting, they certainly know how to avoid what they hate. Sounds like you have an axe to grind with CF. Especially with the comment that you don't like changes, yet you liked the park better under Paramount's ownership. Remove 'tiques & flyers to build IJ? That is a HUGE change. KCKC for TR? They could have put TR anywhere. CF has owned the park less than a year. Added a coaster. Actively trying to fix another. Exactly what have they done wrong?

Ya I dug this one up from 8'. Has anyone heard if KI will be getting webcams again? It is a nice feature, especially if you want to see the park while you are at work!

I am not disagreeing with you, but, I really hate that excuse. As an enthusiast, I can understand that there are many hiccups early in the year. Where I get upset is a as paying customer I expect the same type of service in May as I get in August. I paid the same, didn't I? The service should be the same as well. The unfortunate side of the issue is that it is the employee that gets all the static. It is really not their fault they were not trained enough. The fault lies with the park.

^ I agree. Anything can happen, especially when it comes down to a business decision. But if CF removed Dominator to go to another park I would be absolutely shocked. Now if GL would close down the dry park, that is a whole different story. But first of all, current indications seem that CF is not close to making the decision to close the dry side. And if GL would close, I would be surprised if Dominator would come to KI. I would think it would go to KD first.

That reminded me of the movie FireFox with Clint Eastwood. "Your papers are not in order" I always wondered how they could be out of order. It's not a binder da**it!

^ Game Day Grille. http://www.cedarpoint.com/public/park/food..._day_grille.cfm