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That makes no sense. If SFWoA was taking any guests from CP, the park would have been successful. SF put in those coasters with the dream of competing with CP, and it turned into a nightmare. Less guests went to the park. And if CF was not putting money into the park, I would agree with you that they want it to fail. But that is not the case at all. SF did not destroy the park overnight, and CF cannot turn it around overnight as well. The additions to the waterpark is a plus. It makes it more of a regional park. And with the way things are going in the business today (all of the hotel/ waterparks being built) the waterpark industry is booming. Those rides were taken out for the plain fact that they are good rides in a park that was not doing them any justice. They were also easy rides to take out- basically built on rather flat land. It was purely a business decision.

What policy is that?

^What I meant by that is, the initial excitement for SF is early in the year. We will have to wait until August to see if the excitment continues, or if SF will go back to their old ways. The same thing with CF. Right now, most are rather upset about the current food prices. But CF could change that, just like they did a few years ago with soda pricing at CP. Guests stopped buying drinks and CP dropped the price back to (I believe $2.50) mid-year.

That is really not surprising. SF could only improve. CF has had SF's number for so long that any type of SF turn around will get people excited. Where CF could be shooting themselves in the foot is if they feel complacent. And by how much they are charging for food, that could be true. It is also very early in the year. Many things could change by August.

^ Even though CS will never see this today; the weather does not look too bad so far: http://www.intellicast.com/National/Radar/...mp;enlarge=true I absolutely love Intellicast!

http://www.tbo.com/news/metro/MGBG256ZG2F.html $230 to $265 million for WWoHP and the (unnamed) Simpsons ride. Weird article though. It reads like WWoHP is $265 and then the Simpsons ride is $230 to $265.

Great trip report. Please lets us know how the on- ride video turns out. I have heard nothing but complaints about it.

http://www.KICentral.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=9190 http://www.KICentral.com/photos/displayima...um=42&pos=0

http://www.rcdb.com/ir.htm?cls=277&des...=1&order=-6 I seriously doubt that KI, or any other park, will be planning another stand-up coaster. The stand-up is the gimmick of all gimmick coasters. There is a clear reason why there has not been another stand-up built since 1999- a majority of the people just don't like them. They are not comfortable. Load/ unload times are terrible. The layouts are boring- due to extreme forces on the rider. Oh ya, they are umcomfortable as well. I can't say it is impossible, but it is just really unlikely for KI to get a stand-up. Quite honestly, I would rather see the park install another log flume before another coaster. I really loved going on KCKC, and was rather upset to see it go. The same goes for WWL at CP. I want to have a decent water ride w/o getting soaked. But I would not be upset with a B&M inverted or hyper as well!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...95.html?sub=new Slides, Slime and Suites Marriott, Nickelodeon Team to Create Water Park Resorts By Michael S. Rosenwald Washington Post Staff Writer Friday, June 1, 2007; Page D01 NEW YORK, May 31 -- Marriott International announced Thursday that it is joining with Nickelodeon, the children's TV network, to create a chain of upscale water park resorts aimed at catapulting the hotel chain known primarily for business travel into the family-themed vacation business. By 2020, Marriott plans to open 20 such resorts, which will feature state-of-the-art pools and towering water slides for children (and adventurous parents), as well as interactive attractions featuring Nickelodeon's cartoon characters Dora the Explorer and SpongeBob SquarePants. Nickelodeon's SpongeBob SquarePants covers Marriott International chief Bill Marriott with slime as the companies announce a partnership to create a chain of upscale, family-themed resorts. (Getty Images) Bill Marriott, the Bethesda company's 75-year-old chairman and chief executive, demonstrated his enthusiasm for the new business opportunity by standing on a stage next to Mr. SquarePants as Nickelodeon's trademark green slime was dumped over his head. Marriott's cheek took on a green finish, as did much of his suit -- albeit an old one, as he had previously consented to the sliming. Entering the family-themed vacation business with Nickelodeon helps Marriott further tap into travel dollars being spent by Generation X -- people now in their 30s and early 40s, many with families. The company has been trying to deepen its appeal to that demographic with new technology in rooms and upgrading its bar scene. GenXers came of age with the Nickelodeon brand, which traces its origins to 1979. A Nickelodeon generation is well heeled and traveling. "They've grown up with these characters and with this Nickelodeon programming," Bill Marriott said in interview after a brief disappearance to change suits. "They have the kind of respect for it that we had for Disney when we were growing up. So there's a lot of allegiance here." Cyma Zarghami, Nickelodeon's president, said some parents take their children to Disney theme parks out of nostalgia for family vacations of their youth. However, she said her company is seeing a new trend, with children persuading parents to share experiences that are important to them. That phenomenon lets Nickelodeon deploy a new strategy by extending its brand through the lodging business while not necessarily competing with behemoth theme park operators, she said. The deal, which was announced in a news conference at the Marriott Marquis in Times Square, also enters Marriott into the fast-growing water theme park business. Attractions such as Great Wolf Lodge, which has a location in Virginia, Water World in Colorado, Schlitterbahn Waterpark in Texas and Disney's Blizzard Beach in Orlando have become popular vacation spots. But Marriott and Nickelodeon say they have come up with something different. For starters, their resorts have a connection to a popular children's network. Also, Marriott has an extensive customer-rewards program, which borders on obsession for some business travelers, and the hotel chain hopes those travelers will turn to the Nickelodeon resorts when the family takes a road trip. Also, Marriott is making the resorts as much a playground for adults as for kids, offering the latest in-room technology; flat-panel, high-definition TVs; ultra-modern furnishings; spa facilities; and sprawling meeting spaces for companies that want to host work and play events for their employees and families. "We want them when they are traveling on business, and we want them when they are traveling with their families," said Richard S. Hoffman, an executive vice president in Marriott's development group. Instead of capturing business travelers on the road, this gives Marriott a chance to catch them when they're on the road with young children in tow, Hoffman said. "We don't have a product that's directed to this kind of traveler," he said. The company does have an extensive network of high-end vacation ownership resorts. The first family-oriented resort is scheduled to open in early 2010, in San Diego's Liberty Station area. Designed by the Gensler architectural firm, the property is to feature 650 rooms, most of them large suites including character themes for children, and a 100,000-square-foot water park and activity deck. There will also be an adults-only lap pool and poolside cabanas. Marriott is considering other locations around the country -- even in cool climates, where pool facilities would be indoors -- as well as in the Caribbean, Mexico, Europe, Asia, Australia and the Middle East. The hotels would each cost $200 million to $300 million to build. Nickelodeon has a pilot resort in Orlando in partnership with Holiday Inn. That deal will end in 2009. As part of the new deal, the network, which is owned by Viacom, will be paid an undisclosed licensing fee. Miller Global Properties, a developer in Denver, is to develop and own the resorts, paying Marriott management fees to run the properties. Marriott stock closed at $46.05, up 1.6 percent.

Perhaps he was comparing the PP's to a certain Ohio park that CF has also purchased?

^ Absolutely. Sometimes the forcast is correct. But I have not seen a consistant 8 hour shower/ thunderstorm very often. I have experianced CP in bad weather more often than any other park. And I have never had a washout. If the policy has changed, there is not too much we can do about it- especially since most of us all have season passes. They already have our money. ... a bad day at the park is still better than a good day at work.

So how do you get ahold of this 'Ohio Magazine'?

^ A weather forcast has never stopped me from going to a park. Actually, some of my best days in a park has been when the forcast looks bleak, or it has rained in the early afternoon. Don't worry about the weather. Go and have a great time!

Yes. But on April 23rd, according to the Daily Record, the name "Potterland" was mentioned. WWoHP is much better!

^ I am willing to bet that CP and KI have different types of scanning systems. Making all the parks have one universal system would be rather expensive. I don't remember which year it was, but I was unable to use my Paramount (KI) pass at PKD. I had to sign in as well. I would rather see CF spend money on improving the parks before they solve this minor inconvienence issue.

^ Well the way I understood the Orlando Sentinal article (remember this is just the media) it seems a part of the "Lost Continent" will become a new land for Harry potter. But also, some of the things in "Lost Continent" will be staying. From Orlando Sentinal: "Much of "The Lost Continent" island, including Universal's award-winning Mythos Restaurant, will be retained as a separate themed area, just smaller. The island is to remain open during construction as well. Some current "Lost Continent" attractions such as The Dueling Dragons roller coasters and The Flying Unicorn coaster ride likely would be adapted to fit the Harry Potter story. Trowbridge would not discuss specific attractions, but did say that Universal intended to "leverage some existing infrastructure." He said that would have to include far more than a new paint job and a new sign, because too much is at stake." I just hope that there is some type of new Quidditch ride.

Wow. That really bums me out. I guess CP decided that since Chick-fil-a took over the Frontier Inn, which was pizza; they changed the menu of Chuck Wagon to pizza. Ya, because CP needed ANOTHER pizza vendor. Just another reason why we bring a cooler.

Replaced an inversion with a "S" curve? Son of Maverick?

Yes. As long as you are staying at a CP resort, you will get a Joe Cool card. If they don't give it to you, be sure to ask for it.

^The Breakers entrance (Magnum) does have a small customer service office with it. I would think that you could enter there. But just to CYA, I would call ahead first just to be sure.

^Are you going for two full days? If so, call BE and explain that you understand that you cannot check in early on Monday, but you still would like to be able and get into the park early with Joe Cool. I have asked in the past and have had no problems. The trick is, now you have to get to the park early Monday. As far as Maverick opening for Joe Cool, it's a crap shoot. New ride. New day. New problems.

For those who are intrested in Chuck Wagon: http://www.cedarpoint.com/public/park/food...k_wagon_inn.cfm Intresting though; they post the menu, but not the prices. ummmmm....

So what time does the Dumpster start serving?

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