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That was the nice thing about CP when TTD first opened; they allowed you to exit the line to use the restroom & come back to your place in line when the ride was consistantly breaking down. They were called 'Hall Pass' in high school. I wonder what you could call a pass for getting out of line in a park?

What park has realistic drawings for any of their rides, let alone coasters, or for that matter a realistic drawing of even the footprint of the park?

You really can't blame the schools. Like you said, the amount of discipline that a school can hand down has been dramatically cut. At this point, the most a school can do is detention, ISS, or OSS. All three forms of discipline are effective, as long as the parent at home is enforcing it as well. In detention the student has to either find a way to school early, late, or on a Saturday. In most cases if the parent does not drop them off/ pick up, the student does not care to go, or just won't go at all. ISS is a great form of discipline, but now you are taking away from the student in the classroom. OSS is just a free vacation. Chances are, the parent is not home anyway due to work responsibilities. Bottom line, it all starts at home. If the parent does not care about the child's well being, the child will grow up not caring about anyone else. Now if you could just give an unruly kid a swift hit with a large piece of wood, it could solve some problems.

http://www.cleveland.com/ontherecord/

After taking a night of thinking about this... There needs to be a bigger feeling of the park security presence. Typically, if someone views a person of authority, they tend to walk a strait line. Perhaps the park has not been fully staffed with security personnel due to being early in the season, which does make sense. But once the season is in full swing, will there be security present on the platform for the last couple hours of the day? (On Beast & Firehawk)

How bad was this altercation on The Beast's platform?!? I was on another site that had a specific topic on it. It sounds like it was a rather intense/ upsetting incident, unless someone is just making a mountain out of a molehill. And a question for the employees of the park: Without possibly getting yourself in trouble for giving information out, is the park planning on having extra security or ride operators at night?

In 1979: 4.5 hours for Beast In 1994: 4.0 hours for Raptor (Opening day, cold, rain- with that, rain is really painful on Magnum) In 2000: 4.0 hours for Millenium Force (opening day & only 2 trains) In 2003: 5.0 hours for Top Thrill Dragster (Constantly broke down- if you can believe that! )

I am not sure what your point is. In both of your picture that you claim to be just weeds; what do you want there? I see some access roads. I can see some smaller plots of land. But I don't see an area that could actually sustain a good amount of tree growth. CF is in the amusment park business. They are not in the landscape business. Even though it is great to have trees to shade us from the blazing sun, we pay money to enter the park to be thrilled by the rides they have built. Please take a look at two other examples: White Water Landing's opening year: http://www.pointbuzz.com/Gallery.aspx?i=2960 And again in 2003: http://www.pointbuzz.com/Gallery.aspx?i=181 You can clearly see that CF does try and use trees for other things than just being cut down for more rides. I am all for landscaping. When I go to a park like BGE, I notice the landscaping they have. But rest assured, I will not drive over 500 miles to BGE, or 350 miles to KI just to look at their trees.

Who doesn't want to see that type of coaster at KI? But what does adding a new ride have to do with removing the loops on Vortex?

You can't compare Steel Phantom to Vortex. When it was SP, what made it such a unique ride was that the second descent was longer than the first. Going under Thunderbolt and into a rather deep gorge and reaching speeds of 80 mph and then going through the inversions at the end of the ride is why it was modified. The head banging at those speeds was rather uncomfortable. The powers that be at Kennywood tried numerous things to make it a more comfortable ride, but could not come up with anything that did not take away from why the coaster was built in the first place, the second descent. http://www.rcdb.com/ig123.htm?picture=3 Vortex does not have anything that would make it a better coaster if the inversions were removed. Why do some people want to change a perfectly good ride? Build new, don't change the old. Especially when there is no logical reason to.

What would make Vortex an even better ride than it already is: new restraints. Can you imagine Vortex with the same type of restraints that FoF has? Or even the same type of restraints that are on StormRunner at Hershey. It would be a whole new ride. Of course for this to even happen, KI would probably have to purchase new trains. I don't see that happening.

Technically, they do not have to honor the pass. Like Interp said, be REALLY nice. I just wonder if CF would even consider changing the '06 pass to a '07. Paramount would have collected the revenue fron the '06 pass. Let us know how it turns out.

The fog effect that you refer to is sprayed out from the main support columns in the pretzel. The fog is usually not operating until warmer weather comes around, which could be the middle of June on the shores of Lake Erie. There was rust spots on the columns themselves after the years of use, but was painted over by a violent Ronald McDonald and his crew.

You are looking at my comments for only face value. A season pass holder a KI is going to go to the park numerous times during the year, and also have the luxery of going to the park for half days, questionable weather days etc. A family staying at one of the Disney resorts is probably only going to be at DW for a week. And since you can only be in one park at a time and chances are you are only going to go to one of the Disney parks for one full day during your stay- it is rather different than have a KI season pass. The Disney resort guest is limited for that one week. Putting it much more simpler words: Comparing a Disney resort guest and a KI season pass holder is like matching apples and oranges.

There are so many scenarios for this type of experiance it is difficult to break them all down. FastPass at Disney should be the exclusive right for guests staying on the park property. They paid the money, they deserve the luxery. What I don't know, does everyone that enters the park have the right to the FastPass system? Either way though, Disney has the process down pat. You can't go around collecting FastPasses all day. You are limited to one at a time. CP has the VIP club which is fine. It is expensive, so I doubt your average guest will take in the luxery. I believe it is more for guests that are movie stars, sports figures etc. It would be difficult for someone like LeBron James and his guests to enjoy CP as normal guests. CP also has the benefit that if you stay on the park property, you get in early. That is a great benefit, especially since most don't even use it because they are families staying on the point. (Yeah it's tough to wake the kids at 7:30am to get ready to go early into the park). CP's whole FastPass basically was to be in the right place at the right time to get your hand stamped, and you could only get it twice a day. It really never took off. What I did not like was at SFWoA. You could pay an extra (I believe) $10 to walk past everyone. It was bogus. They would sell so many that it was not even worth it. I still waited for X-Flight for over an hour. Now I know this will cause some hard feelings for some, but the Gold Pass that Paramount had to get to the front of the line, as well as the re-ride event was bogus too IMO. Why should season pass holders get the luxery, just because they paid more? Well for the family that can only get to PKI one day per year, it stunk for them, because they had to wait longer. If every park would have the same system as Disney, it would be great. But the cost for that would be large. If you want shorter lines, have a single rider line for the popular rides. Everyone wins there.

My first trip to KI was in 1978, I was 5 at the time. It was then that my dad heard of plans for this huge wooden roller coaster that was to blow away all kinds of records. We came back in '79 and have been hooked ever since. I found KIC through the now disfunct PKIU, back in September 2003.

^Long story short. It was a maintenance nightmare. It was also a prototype. It was around from 1981 to 1983, and it was SBNO more than it was operating. It had brake fins on the bottom of the trains as opposed to on top of the train (like how TG is now). This cause excessive wear & tear. The track was not banked at all. This caused the shocks on the cars to be shot rather quickly. It would be great to see the ride built today, with the modifications. But I probably have a better chance at hitting the lotto.

According to RCDB.com, Arrow made 10 suspended coasters. 7 of them are still operating. The 3 that are not are: The Bat- we all know the story behind it's removal, XLR-8- SF AstroWorld- the park has closed, and a park in Japan that has an "accident" and the ride never reopened. http://www.rcdb.com/ir.htm?order=15&contact=6&page=5 Rides like TG have their place in the park. It may not be thrilling to all. But for some kids, one of their first rollercoaster experiances is TG. It's not intimidating like Vortex or SoB, but it's also not in NickCentral.

I have said this before, and I am going to say it again. Why on Earth does everyone insist on thinking the right thing to do is remove rides!?! There is nothing wrong with TG. There is nothing wrong with Vortex. Chances are these rides will still be around when your kids are tall enough to get on them. While popularity may have an influence on if a ride stays or goes, it is not the final factor. (I.E. Flying Eagles, Antique Cars) Normally a more determining factor is the value of the land it is on as well as maintenance. KC was doomed for a combination of these factors. As was Screamin' Deamon (more land than anything) and KCKC (both land and maintenance). You can even throw in White Water Landing, Mill Run, and the aquarium at CP for the same reasons. The land that TG is on is terrible for people. Who would want to walk there? (Ever been to MarineLand in Canada?) Which is why it was a great place for the coaster to go. Not much else could go there. Everyone always asks/ complains why the walk to the ride is so long. Think about it. You could put a ride like TG anywhere. But it was that specific parcel of land that was chosen. Why? What else are you going to put there? KI has so much land to use. Considering where they have put Firehawk, I believe it is easy to see the direction the footprint of the park is going.

http://www.KICentral.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=9190

I would hope that is not the case. There is at least one individual that definitely does not seem to have that frame of mind- Dick Kinzel. After hearing he was at the park, picking up small pieces of trash & conversing with the guests; I take that as he is very interested it what is happening at the new CF parks. Attitude starts from the top. EDIT- Does anyone know if Kinzel was at the opening for KD?

^ He is just probably trying to distinguish between the "new" parks to the CF family and the "old" CF parks. ... if he was quoted correctly.

http://www.sanduskyregister.com/articles/2...ront/259689.txt Intresting timing.

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