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IF that is true, your friend is in for a fantastic time. He is going to be utterly astonished at the actual quality rides that KI has. Most of them are even operating! Seriously though, people do not come to ride SoB. Why do I say that? Well look at it from the 20,000' level. The ride has been plauged from day one. It has not only had serious injuries on one occasion, it is notorious for giving most uncomfortable rides to literally beating them up. Who actually knows if it is going to be running from day to day. The ride has no draw. Go to some other enthusiast sites, they even hate it. And if a roller coaster enthusiast hates a coaster, what does that say for the actual ride? And enthusiasts make up less than 10% of the guests that go to the park. How many stories have we discussed here about the GP making up untrue stories about SoB? People are going to continue to believe those stories until the ride is consistantly operating, there is nothing to make them believe anything less. For another point. When TTD was having numerous issues for the first two years, CP actually had a online "TTD status" section letting anyone who wanted to be informed about if the ride was operating or not. Ever wonder why there was/ has not been the same type of information given for SoB? Sure there are some that love the ride. It probably has some underlying meaning for them (first coaster, biggest coaster ever, fastest ever etc.), or they have just not been on it yet and want to form their own opinion. I have the same feeling about Beast. And even though some will bash the heck out of Beast due to the braking, lack of airtime, roughness, unintrested layout- I still love it. But you know what- they are right about all those comments. But back in 1979, it was a much different ride. The same cannot be said for SoB. The problems it had in 2000, are same problems as today. When it was announced that the Flyers were being moved from KI, KIC had a petition to try and stop it from happening. Will there be the same outpouring if SoB was announced for destruction at the end of the season? I, for one, am very intrested to see what kind of reaction most have if/ when it happens. For years now, I have said I would hate to see SoB torn down. But when is enough, enough?

^ Excellent point. I have a bunch of friends that are teachers. The stories they have about parents blaming them for the kids failure in school are non-stop. My particular favorite is the parent blaming the teacher for the student not doing homework. Yeah- HOME-WORK!

I find it hard to believe that a one year wait could be considered rushing. Removing the main element of the ride, purchasing trains that are new to the ride, and then changing the gauging so that the trains fit on the track is not exactly a rush job. And as far as people being negative- SoB is a money pit. It has been for 8 seasons now (or if you actually count just the uptime of the ride- 4 seasons). Everyone really needs to sit back and think objectively about SoB. Put your personal feelings aside for a minute (weather you love it or hate it). It has not attracted positive attention since it opened. There have been lawsuits, modifications, injuries, and still the ride is not operating. People do not come to KI to ride SoB. It has been a black mark since day one, and there is no light at the end of the tunnel. The millions of dollars that have been poured into the ride over the last 8 years could have built a rather decent coaster for all of us to enjoy: Thunderhead at DollyWood was $7 million, El Toro at Six Flags was $12 million, Voyage at Holiday World was $6.5 million and Storm Runner at Hershey Park was $12 million. All of these rides scale from a "good" ride to a "fantastic" ride. And then there reality that most need to understand. There have been major changes over the last 12 months. But its status is still the same. SBNO

Hillary is going to be their as well? *stirring up the pot!*

Honestly though, why would a parent not keep track of their 4 year old in a wave pool? When my family goes on the boat, both of my kids (6 & 4) wear life jackets. They wear them even when they are on the beach playing in the sand. As sad as this incident is, there really is more blame on the parent(s) than on the lifeguard.

Are you saying that safety is not CF's top priority? Or did I miss something? Obviously your not picking up on the sarcasm And with sarcasm, there is a . And it would be "you are" not "your".

Are you saying that safety is not CF's top priority? Or did I miss something?

Yeah, it really is not a surprise that Prischak wants to take back his rides. He has a small fortune invested into Lake Erie Speedway, but the outcome has not been exactly lucrative. He really needs to draw more families to LES. And quite honestly, there is really no reason he shouldn't take them back. A moved ride is better than SBNO. At this point, it would take a small miracle for CLP to open ever again. Sad, but true.

Put it to you another way. My wife and I went to KD back in '99 for the first time. We had season passes from KI and decided to use them to our advantage. We hit KD on a Thursday expecting to be at the park for two days since neither of use were ever there. About 4:00pm, on the first day, we were bored with the park. We actually went back to the car to look at the AAA travel book to see what else was in the area to do. At that time, I did not realize that BGE was so close. On Friday we went to BGE and it was the absolute highlight of our trip. Everything is fantastic with the park. Even though through the website it seems that there is more to do at KD, it is not a fair comparison for BGE. There are just some things that cannot be seen through pictures or explained in words. We did go back to KD in '04 to see if anything changed, and still felt the same way. We actually left the park early to go back to BGE since we had free passes due to a incident with a rude ride operator the previous day. Volcano is a great coaster, everything else is "meh". When going to KD, you can see why KI was the crown jewel for Paramount.

-est rides are starting to become a thing of the past. Ironically enough, you can thank CF for that with the addition of Maverick. A coaster that did not promote itself as a -est coaster.

BGE hands down. The park is one of the most beautiful & enjoyable parks I have ever been to. BGE may have less coasters, but they are some really good coasters. Considering that you have just left KI, you will be riding coasters at KD that are very similar (Rebel Yell, FoF, and from some people's opinions Anoconda). Passing on BGE would be a mistake.

SF paying for the medical bills is a definite. Lifetime season pass? I am going to shoot from the hip and guess that her family and friends will not be making plans on being guests of SF anytime soon.

Someone hurled on your car because of the trash in the parking lot at the end of the night? Boy, do they have a weak stomach.

TTD has not been closed for almost an entire operating year. Small periods of downtime are acceptable, as in the case with TTD. The first couple years TTD did have numerous issues, but the ride has been operating rather consistant since. SoB has been plagued with issues since day one that have not stopped.

You are correct. Everyone has opinions. Even cold- hearted idiots. It's too bad some people with opinions just can't seem to grasp the ramifications of this incident.

Boy those have to be some kick-ass lights to warm an airplane!

That is hilarious. I still remember when you said that there were no new trains for SoB, two major additions for 2007, saying that 2007 would be KI's best year ever and then turn around to say that CF is cheap.... ... and the list continues.

^ I am not sure that SF could make a case against Intamin. Unless SF could prove that Intamin did not supply enough information as to the safety inspection, or the correct maintenance for the ride, I would have to think that after a couple years, or 13 years in this case, the manufacturer could not be held responsible. But the statment that Intamin came out with about not suppling the cable is laughable. Intamin did not manufacture the cable themselves, they purchased it from a supplier. How many possible suppliers could their be in the world for the exact cable specifications/ dimensions needed for this ride? Chances are, SF purchased the cable from the same supplier that Intamin uses. That statement was only to try and deflect any possible finger pointing away from Intamin. And as most enthusiasts know, Intamin does not have a very good track record when it comes to safety. The company needs to try and look as good as possible.

Weak economy. Gas prices. Food prices. Ticket prices. Competition from other attractions in the area. Too hot. You also went in the middle of the week during the prime family traveling season. KI is more of a regional park than a destination/ resort park. ... take your pick.

You must be joking. Do you actually think that just because it has some words like this on anything it absolves the owner/ operator of negligence? Or another question; If one of your appendages happened do be ripped off, FROM RIDING AN INSPECTED RIDE, you would just walk (sorry you can't walk anymore), have someone push you away and the park would not be held responsible because you assumed personal risk? On top of that; If those words meant anything, why do parks pay for insurance when, in your idea of what is right, they cannot be held responsible due to some words on a ticket?

For SF any improvement would be setting a record. They really could not get much lower.

Why would Disney even be intrested in CF? Sure, having more parks to sell what Disney has to offer sounds great, but I would also have to think that it has the potential to take guests away from Florida. Why travel to Florida when you can stay in Cincinnati and still experiance Disney? The whole idea is a bit of a stretch.

http://www.nbc11.com/news/13672880/detail.html

CP is not even close to being out of land. This has been a common mistake since the mid 80's. I don't see KI moving a coaster from one part of the park to another. The costs associated with moving a coaster are large. From a financial standpoint, moving a coaster to use the land it currently sits on doesn't make sense.

^ Only an hour on a Saturday? I would think that since the ride just opened the wait would be much longer. Or is it that people have heard about SoB's issues and have decided to stay away from it?