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This is a sad story. But if the community is not willing to try and save the park by being patrons, why give more money to it? http://www.goerie.com/apps/pbcs.dll/articl...8140362/-1/NEWS CLP board gets help from county BY JIM MARTIN jim.martin@timesnews.com [more details] Published: August 14. 2007 6:00AM MEADVILLE -- The Blue Streak is parked in its station. The carved wooden horses of the merry-go-round await riders in the dim light of the carousel. But even now -- with most of the publicly owned facility shut down for the summer -- Conneaut Lake Park is racking up bills to the tune of about $1,000 a day. Members of the park's newly appointed board of directors, along with the park-loving public, got a taste of hope Aug. 3 when park managers reopened the Beach Club. The news brought a line of people waiting to buy french fries, and it brought renewed hopes that revenue might begin to trickle in that would allow for the park to resume full operation. But despite a good first couple of weeks, the revenue is a comparative trickle, the flow of invoices a gusher. Board members Jim Collins and Carol West appeared Monday before the Crawford County Redevelopment Authority to ask for $35,000 to help pay some bills, including a $10,000 insurance payment and about $8,000 on a $236,000 electric bill. Payment is needed this week to ensure the lights stay on at the Beach Club and that the park has the liability insurance it needs to operate. After 90 minutes of questions by the redevelopment board, the park board members walked out with a check for $25,000 and some specific instructions on how to spend it. Mark Nickerson of the Redevelopment Authority joined the unanimous 3-0 vote to grant the park $25,000. But like fellow board members Joe Shrader and C.J. Tisi, he wanted to be certain it would do some good. "I'm very supportive of the park," Nickerson said. "But I'm trying to get some certainty that the money won't go away without some result." No one was even hinting that Conneaut Lake Park's board would intentionally waste the money. It was easy to see, however, that the money could get lost in the shuffle at a park with $2.7 million in unpaid bills. Collins, an accountant, said he's also concerned about the matter of taxes. The park still hasn't filed returns for 2005 or 2006. Despite all those challenges, both West and Collins still see potential and said they're eager to see the park adopt a workable business plan that will put the operation back on track. In the meantime, though, the park continues to face stacks of bills equal to about $1,000 a day, simply to keep the lights on and a handful of employees on the job. West said the park board's next goal is to reopen Hotel Conneaut in time to honor more than 200 reservations that have been made. That could also help the park generate the money it needs to survive another winter. JIM MARTIN can be reached at (814) 724-6397, 870-1668 or by e-mail. Crawford County Planning Director Jack Lynch said he credits the group with both vision and a realistic approach to the problems they face. "This group realizes they are up against it," he said. "It's hard to write a poem when you're being chased up a hill by dogs." JIM MARTIN can be reached at (814) 724-6397, 870-1668 or by e-mail.

http://www.wicu12.com/news/index.vnss?newsid=3818 After years of fighting in the court system, the new wooden coaster will open in 2008. http://www.courts.state.pa.us/OpPosting/CW...05_11-22-05.pdf

SoB's loop was 118' tall. Mantis's loop at CP is 119' tall. Dominator's loop at GL is 135' tall. I believe that this is the record holder for the tallest loop. Kumba's loop at BGA is 114' tall.

http://www.KICentral.com/history/photos/di...at=0&pos=59 That is a nice picture of KCKC. You can see the rotating platform, as well as the double drop rather clearly. I am not sure of the exact height, but it was much taller than most flume rides. You can also compare the ride height to the tree height in the picture. It was removed for a combination of things: maintenance costs & construction of TR. Much like White Water Landing at CP. KCKC did not race, nor was it an intense ride. But it was a terrific & relaxing family ride that did not get you soaked. That is one of my most missed rides, at any park.

An indecisive Dippin' Dots guy? That's a new one!

I can recall many years, and no kids, ago where the wife (well before she was actually the wife) and I would make Magnum the last ride(s) of the night. The crowd in line was always fun, playing volleyball with multiple beachballs or doing the "great taste, less filling" routine.

^ And who does not have a dark side, or in a better term, who does not have an event in their life that they are not exactly proud of? I'm sure Walt did some rather shrewd things to accomplish what he did. He was a businessman. It is just that the good things that he did/ accomplished will always outweigh the questionable/ bad things. I really can't see how a person would honestly believe that the world is not a better place with Disney in it. For myself, and my family, what he started in 1928 has given us much enjoyment over the years.

CF is in a difficult position. The Magnum accident early this year was blamed on wet brakes. Now if there would happen to be another accident with the same type of conditions, the guests involved would have the opportunity to really rake CF over the coals. Our society today is filled with many frivolous lawsuits, there really is no reason to give a ambulance chaser good ammunition. Or it could have also been a directive from their insurance company. I would not be surprised if CF used different companies for different parks. That would explain the different policies for the different parks. Yeah, the policy sucks. But it will not deter me from a great day at the park.

This should be put into the: "Straws; Grasping At" catagory.

Did you miss the Type: Wood - Sit Down? Take a good look at RCDB and you will understand.

So you're saying that everyone that doesn't have gold pass Speed Lane tickets is a "bottom feeder"? Step off of your pedestal for ten seconds and take a look around. Dvo- You and I are in agreement. Read all my posts.

If I close my eyes, I'm at Cedar Point, ratcheting to the top of the Millennium Force roller coaster, Ratcheting to the top of MF? When I notice things like this, my wife has the pleasure of calling me a coaster geek.

Update: http://www.miamiherald.com/466/story/195905.html The operator of Natashia's ride was 16, and had worked on the Magic Teacups for less than three months. Robert Niles, editor of themeparkinsider.com and a former amusement park operator, says that's a problem. ''The lack of experience shows up in the lack of ability to prevent these types of incidents,'' Niles said. I am not really sure on how to take this incident, or the quote from Niles. If it is a design problem, why does it matter how old the operator is or how long they have been working on the ride? Until it is re-engineered, the accidents will continue. But is it a design problem? According to this picture (scroll down one pic) http://www.disneyworldlive.com/madteaparty.htm it appears to me that you would really have to lean back, practically out of the car, to hit the handle of another tea cup. Also, wouldn't the handles of two cars crash into each other while they were spinning if they were that close? As insensitive as it may sound, IMO this girl was not following directions.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/World/Child-mol...6530448333.html People like this deserve to be neutered.

Read your own post. You know exactly what I am saying. You are whining about waiting in line with the rest of the bottom feeders instead of being treated like gold so you can walk on a ride and then cool off in the Festhaus. And the funny thing is, you even knew about the Speed Lane perk ending in July, and you are still complaining.

WOW! Hey TransAm, check this out: http://www.rcdb.com/id3231.htm http://www.rcdb.com/id14.htm http://www.rcdb.com/id70.htm http://www.rcdb.com/ is considered one of the best, if not the best, sites for coaster information. Thet are rather clear as to what is or is not considered to be a wood coaster with a steel structure or steel coaster with a wood structure.

While you maybe upset with all the verbal bashing of SoB, many are upset with the physical bashing the ride gives. So what is the solution? Well, if you don't like the ride, don't ride it. And if you don't like to read all the negativity, avoid these topics. ... but you already figured that one out!

TTD has never, even come close, to the incidents on SoB or on S:ToP. The issue with SoB was much more extreme, only because of how uncomfortable it is/ was for the riders. It was not an unknown fact on how it treated the riders.

Intamin and secure lap bar restraints really don't go together. Consider the issues with Perilous Plunge and S:RoS at SFNE. CF has endured a great amount of criticism over shortening MF seatbealts as well as TTD. And instead of creating the same issues, they went with OSTR's for Maverick. The same restraints were ok for Stormrunner and KK, and there is no reason why they are not acceptable for Maverick. This is why it was shocking to some here that CF actually decided to go with Intamin again, myself included. Breaking records is now a thing of the past. And records will be broken in the future. Just not nearly as fast as they were broken in the late 90's and early 2000's. MF was $25 million. TTD was $25 million. Maverick was $21 million. Things are not getting cheaper. With better/ greater technology comes a price. And there is no -est involved.

I have never seen anything but a black light being used.

I totally agree. A much needed pain killer after being on a ride is OK as long as it is a record breaker. Yeah, that makes sense. *end sarcasm* That is almost as bad of a comment as "only sit in XXXXX seat, it is a smoother ride". If it is such a good ride, why do I have to sit in a "special" seat? Or why do I have to be a geek enthusiast (you know you are too! ) to know where to actually get a seat that does not require traction when I am done?

So the people that visit the park once a year should wait in line longer since you are able to walk by them and get on a ride? And I was under the impression that the park was for everybody....

Is there something you would like to talk about? You never know, Chris Hansen might troll these boards. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10912603/