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Working on any ride under normal operations is one thing, knowing the design of the panels and what it can/ can't do when it is not under normal operations as well as not being present when the accident happened is another. What needs to be considered was the state of the ride prior to the accident- which will come out as the investigation continues.

^ I have unfortunately been part of many accident investigations and have learned that during the initial stages of the investigation. no root cause can be eliminated. What needs to be done is try & repeat the actions prior to the accident. I believe both the park along with B&M will try to replicate it and conduct numerous interviews with all staff.

You can guarantee that statement?

Valravn had a collision in 2019. Makes me wonder if it is a B&M block issue, wet track issue or some type of operator issue. Glad to hear the accident was not serious enough to cause injuries.

It would be interesting to see other seasonal park's attendance data % compared to each other. Due to amount of operating days varying from park to park, the % increases/ decreases by year would be more "telling". CP Dollywood Hershey BGW

Events & Fun, Planning The All Park Passport Will Soon Take You Further July 29, 2024 Cedar Point is excited to announce that the All Park Passport add-on will offer access to more parks starting in 2025. The All Park Passport is an add-on that allows you to access additional Six Flags parks with a 2025 Cedar Point Gold or Prestige Pass. When you purchase a 2025 Cedar Point Gold or Prestige Pass with the All Park Passport add-on this fall, you will be able to access the following legacy Cedar Fair parks any public operating day in 2024: California’s Great America (Santa Clara, CA) Canada’s Wonderland (Vaughan, ON) Carowinds (Charlotte, NC) Cedar Point (Sandusky, OH) Cedar Point Shores (Sandusky, OH) Dorney Park & Wildwater Kingdom (Allentown, PA) Kings Dominion & Soak City (Doswell, VA) Kings Island (Mason, OH) Knott’s Berry Farm (Buena Park, CA) Knott’s Soak City (Buena Park, CA) Michigan’s Adventure & WildWater Adventure (Muskegon, MI) Schlitterbahn Waterpark Galveston (Galveston, TX) Schlitterbahn New Braunfels (New Braunfels, TX) Valleyfair & Soak City (Shakopee, MN) Worlds of Fun & Oceans of Fun (Kansas City, MO) However, your 2025 Cedar Point Gold or Prestige Pass with the All Park Passport add-on will be valid for parking & entry at all legacy Six Flags parks starting January 6th, 2025, including: Six Flags Magic Mountain (Valencia, CA) Six Flags Great Adventure (Jackson, NJ) Six Flags Great America (Gurnee, IL) Six Flags Over Texas (Arlington, TX) Six Flags Fiesta Texas (San Antonio, TX) Six Flags Over Georgia (Austell, GA) And More! Please note that 2025 Cedar Point All Park Passport Season Pass add-ons, including All-Season Dining, All-Season Drink Bottle, Fast Lane and others will only be valid at legacy Cedar Fair parks for the entire 2025 season. Add-ons purchased with a legacy Six Flags park Season Pass will only be valid at legacy Six Flags parks for the entire 2025 season. Parking and admission are included at all parks with the All Park Passport. Information on specific in-park discounts and benefits will be available at a later date. 2025 Cedar Point Season Passes will go on-sale in the next few weeks so be sure to check the park website regularly for more updates. https://www.cedarpoint.com/blog/2024/the-all-park-passport-will-soon-take-you-further?fbclid=IwY2xjawEUsDlleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHYK_ph0Kfsyijxd0rD613fZEI301ICWaDo7JjCa3ShXxAZrBM7XxfPatiQ_aem_RB3zHkpI8CEDwxZyXnTnMA

^ Lake Erie typically has the most waterspouts out of all the great lakes due to how warm the water gets. Just last year: Lake Erie breaks world waterspout record: Over 180 sightings reported (usatoday.com) It's not "unusual" to have a waterspout this time of year but they usually happen late summer/ early fall.

Headline from Sandusky Register: Cedar Point design firm closing https://sanduskyregister.com/news/532517/cedar-point-design-firm-closing/#:~:text=Cedar Point design firm closing It's not until the last sentence that the reason why the design firm is closing is mentioned.

I think it's easy to say that when it comes to the TT2 in 2024- no news is not good news. How much longer will Top Thrill 2 be closed at Cedar Point? | wkyc.com If parts are being made, why not make enough for one train & test that one train non-stop? Unless the wait is for train wheels to be cured.

^ I have zero inside knowledge of KI personnel but have heard rumblings through here & other grapevines about the current KI PR staff having questionable decision-making skills. I also am a firm believer that you do not need to make a bad employee look bad- they do it on their own. If the story is true, I question upper/ executive management's reluctance in dismissing an employee that is obviously not cut out for the job.

Very disturbing story. So disturbing that the validity should be questioned. It's too detailed. What gave me the "is this a real story?" thought is when the poster mentioned living close to the park. Every co-worker can't live that close & use those same words where the identity would be easily known. My biggest question is- why post this story on a fan site? Surely the mainstream media would/ could ask the right questions to the right PR people. Also- did the park release anything that the victim did walk away?? I didn't see anything like that. I did see the statement which seemed to echo among most media outlets:

I was an EHS coordinator for over a decade in a manufacturing facility. The one thing I learned was limitless $$ can be thrown at anything to make it "safe" but that does not make it foolproof from being used unsafely. Also- banks are likely the most secure places most of us go to regularly- they still get robbed. In a nutshell- if someone is determined to not follow the rules, they will push the envelope to make it happen.

I hope the injured guest makes it. I also hope those who had to witness/ be part of the accident are not crazy traumatized. That being said, so many people just want to buck the rules because "they can't tell me what to do" or "I'm better than that". It has become a plague on society. People just cannot police themselves anymore. I'm to the point that every ride should require all loose items be put in lockers. Larger/ more popular rides should have metal detectors near the ride platform. If you are found with loose items, you need to get out of line, put your items away & wait again from the end. Yes, it's drastic but nothing else is working with guests. Now....the cost. Parks need to have "moveable lockers" for a nominal fee ($5-$10?) and using a personal code can access any locker from any ride. Make the lockers large enough for purses, stuffed animals, medical bags, etc. Groups/ families can all share a locker. I know there are tons of logistics involved & that I'm completely dumbing it down but until something changes, these accidents (not only a guest jumping a fence) but accidents of phones flying through the air, rides being stopped because a guest has a phone out, and guests losing items like keys & wallets etc. are only going to continue. The cost for the park will be substantial, but the cost of bad media (let's face it, more than 50% of those that saw the headline only read "Man Struck By Rollercoaster at Kings Island and believe KI is unsafe), the cost of settling out of court is not cheap either. Also- if the injured guest survives, wait till the media & public fallout when he is charged with trespassing. The family of the guest will likely sue KI and the best defense is- he trespassed.

^ if the failure was indeed vibration fatigue (Silver2005 brought up a great point of coasters hitting the 100mph mark and the numerous issues- and my belief vibration fatigue was likely a major culprit in each example), any type of NDT testing would not be necessary. The pics of the test tape rub marks exclude part failure but rather part design is the culprit. The original bogies could not be adjusted to prevent vibration. It would be interesting to know if the bogies were aluminum like the chassis or steel. Thinking deeper- the revised bogies are "beefier" than the original and the revised parts are still intact makes me believe more parts for the bogies are necessary and Zamperla was testing last week w/o more parts in hopes to get TT2 up and running without compromising safety.

^ The "first generation" wheel bogies were quickly removed in anticipation for the revised parts currently on the trains. Not sure why that process would change now if the revision(s) were not operating as intended and a 3rd revision is on the horizon. Although I'm totally speculating.

^ I'm thinking the "announcement" was due to CM. If the new parts come back off the trains, that's going to be a red flag for opening anytime soon. It's not exactly encouraging it has not tested more (which I'm assuming due to lack of video). The social media monsters are losing their minds over the downtime. The Zamperla blame game is rampant. Suddenly everyone forgot about new ride issues with: Intamin, Arrow Dynamics, RCCA, Huss, S&S.....

TT2 is officially testing.

Wheels are back on trains. It's a great sign if extended testing takes place day & night- especially for TT2 to be operating for CM next Friday. If testing starts & is limited or stops......ugh.......

So many comments about the cost of the burger and it being under cooked, but if the burger was $3 and undercooked, that would be ok? My favorite from the article:

^ Not confirming, just putting pieces of the puzzle together based on pics & personal experience troubleshooting manufacturing machine/ assembled part issues. I could be totally incorrect as to the true reason TT2 is not currently operating.

Seeing some of the pics with rub marks & dated tape marking tests confirming the rubbing, leads me to believe the vibration was getting progressively worse. It's not a popular opinion, but kudos to CP & Zamperla for doing extensive testing & making the correct call in shutting the ride down after evaluating the vibration was getting worse as the ride "broke in" (no pun intended). I still firmly believe the vibration on TTD was the main culprit in many of the issues the ride had- especially the theming breaking off & the final accident. Seeing the dated tape test also leads me to believe the "fix" may have been getting worked on prior to the ride shutting down. Harry Hogge may believe rubbin' is racing, Cole Trickle & the CP racing team does not agree.......

I have a close relative who has taken pictures of NFL games since the early 80's and worked for NFL Properties until the NFL owners decided on starting NFL Network and NFL Properties was dismantled. 10 years go by & he found his copyrighted pictures being used by NFL.com & NFLN. He & other photographers sued NFL for copyright infringement and after a number of lawsuits eventually won. Was it an honest mistake on the NFL's part? Possibly. Was it an honest mistake on CF's part? Possibly. I would expect the NFL to know significantly more about copyright infringement than CF, but either way, it's still wrong and the person that has the legal copyright deserves to be made whole. Can it be considered a new low? That's a matter of opinion.

Seatbelt addition is the social media guess but adding seatbelts does not explain why extended testing would be necessary. I'm guessing it's vibration fatigue Issue. Modifying or adding parts would be a design change to the new trains and would require extensive testing. The news is frustrating for many, but going from glass is half-full: CP & Zamperla must be doing extensive testing to provide the safest experience for guests.

This would be the 5th Melt closing over the past 2 years & 3rd announced closing in 2024. SR not mentioning the handful of other recent Melt locations closing and put this gem from the article seen below gives a good idea why there are issues between SR & CP. No issue with SR posting the story, but give all the information, not just a snippet of what you believe. (Added italics & color for emphasis.) It should be noted WKYC posted a similar article that did mention the other Melt locations being shuttered along with Tony's quote that the agreement expired and the entities mutually parted ways. Cedar Point confirms Melt restaurant closed ahead of 2024 season | wkyc.com