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no one would be upset if they had a Ben Rothlisberger skeleton laying out there.... just saying its all relative. And if they had the Orchestra guy who died dressed in a skeleton then I am okay with it....... the olny part that crossed the line was showing the way they died.... Dave Thomas skeleton in a wendy's uniform was funny......

to be truthful I say this is "much ado about nothing...." I may not agree with most people on here but look the skeletons were put up for a slight laugh. I agree with this, its suppose to be fun, scary, and enjoyable. KI most likely crossed the line with the gun and pill bottles (because it is too soon) but taking out all of the celebrities is just KI trying to be too safe. The thing is if you dont like something dont view it, ride it, or walk through it. Just my humble opinion.....

I will stick to my thought that the park will do whatever is financially better for the park.... with that being said those new coaster cars do look like they could improve the roughness of the ride on sob...... but that still does not fix the other issues with the ride.........

totally agree I read that I believe it was the Mass. incident no one checked the rider in the front.... with that being said I understand some rides dont need to operate with OTSRs..... even a little added safety cant hurt right?.....

I did some quick reading about those three incidents and wow... makes me sort of like the Over the shoulder restraints....... Now terp I just assume you know what you are talking about so here is a question....... why dont more rides have straps, sort of like soft OTSR? wouldnt it help keep more people in the train? and what is different than the lap bars on diamond back?

why exactly did they add the wood? did they have an incident where a person leg came loose during a ride or was it more actively protecting an incident....

so here is a random question about the block of wood that was added...... did they screw in a 2x4 into the floor... or was it more like a sheet of wood added?

you know i actually enjoyed the old trains. I know they clamped down on the ankles (Am i right on that one?).... but the ride was enjoyable. A little rough but not too bad. I feel, IMHO, that the rides got rougher when the trains were changed.... again though just a personal opinion..... To be honest I enjoy a tight squeeze into a roller coaster. I like when the lap bar is tight because I feel like I dont have to hold on as tightly......... weird I know....

Terp you have become cooler in my book because you listen to NPR....

terp I use to work in the media... (before wising up and going back to school)... and thats how we make money we make assumptions.....

I am a comic nerd and I have been following this on the Marvel board and insiders are saying its really an issue in Orlando. From the article I took it that Universal has no rights on parks in Cali........ But I am not sure what it means for the big names...... With all that being said I am just a KI fan and a comic nerd so..... I have no insider information so I have just opinions

So I found more info on this. Here is an article with some "inside information" and details about it. But basically it says this: Supposedly Universal can use any character they have already used in a ride forever, ie Spiderman Hulk, Storm, Etc. The walk around characters are in danger of leaving Universal for good, and because of the language of the contract, if Universal does something with the characters Marvel does not like then Marvel can pull the contract for good. Universal has already given up the rights for Marvel characters west of the Mississippi. So this will be very interesting to watch over the next couple of years......

thank you sir for posting this

I hope I didn't come across as complaining ... trims are the arch enemy of any coaster enthusiast, but they are reality. Trims save us all money, albeit in an indirect sort of way. Not only do they make our beloved rides safer, but they cut down a bit on off-season maintenance. As a wise man once said (love ya Terpy), it's all about the Nickels. Saving a few Nickels on coaster maintenance is a good thing. That translates into a (somewhat) cheaper season for us. As infuriating as it can be, trim brake debate is a good thing. Look at it this way ... if we're all yelling about trims, and that is our most upsetting concern, we're in pretty good shape! P.S. I hate trims. Very true if trims are the only thing we can argue about we are doing a great thing. I never claimed to enjoy or love trims I just think of them like a necessary evil, sort of like Rap music.... (JK I worked as a dj for a few years before going back to school and hated that stuff)

Hey guys, First I want to apologize for earlier if I seemed like a straight up d..... I have been studying hard for a few test and came on here to blow off steam by reading about my favorite park, and I just saw people complaining and went off...... So again sorry. Now here is my thought, if they did turn off the MCBR it means the ride is run with it because of maintenance? just an idea

money comes from the same pot but if you have ever worked at a business each area is given a budget. So the LCD and the maintenance areas get an annual budget they have to stay with in from the parent company...... This battle of trims versus no trims seems to be split down the middle based on life experiences..... Take a deep breath......... its going to be okay..... and if you dont like trims great good for you build your own park, not in roller coaster tycoon, and figure the costs out from there.....

now before I get too much into an argument with people... are we both talking about the same point when FoF stops... about mid way through before it turns left..... beast rider it was not an attack on being older and wiser but being mature... maturity happens at different points. Some rides are not designed to run the way they do but because of design flaws or miscalculations have to be changed. It happens all the time. Its not to cut back the fun. By your argument SOB was designed to have the loop and use heavy trains but we saw what happened to that right when it was run the way it was designed. My main point of argument was this, and I will use caps so the skimmers will see this park.... BE MATURE AND ENJOY THE RIDES WE HAVE. COMPLAINING DOES NOTHING BUT MAKE YOUR RIDE, AND THOSE AROUND YOU, WORSE.... that will get some attention. CF may enjoy trims but their rides run safe and odds are cheaper because of this.

I am for all of that. I would love to see actual theming return to the park and Octoberfest and the Festhaus are the perfect place to start because it is an absolute mess. How about some german music/dancing in there as well rather than a country music show. This seems to be one of the best (new) ideas to have been spoken in a long long time. HofBraeuhaus (ae in German is like an umlaut)... The prices would be higher but I am sure that for a nice restraurant people would pay it, or HB could do half servings and that would lower the prices significantly.... that being said they do have many nice German style musicians playing in Newport, very easy to get the idea to KI.....

Oh I understand you didnt write anything I was asking for your intellectual opinion to have a discussion about it as such....... Since I am a bit of a comic nerd in my free time I have been trying to follow the Disney ordeal. It seems to be a good move by Disney to try and get the Little Boys to enjoy Disney since they own the Little Girl segment. Time will tell I suppose but it would be interesting to see how Disney would handle the Marvel characters in their Parks once the licensing is over at the other parks....... Hey I can hope for a picture of me in the middle while The Hulk bench presses Mickey....

Beast I am guessing its more than just saving a few nickles on the insurance that keeps the trims on the rides...... Now if I remember there was always a MCBR on FoF since it started back in the days of Paramount. As I was your age or so when it opened I remember that the ride came to an almost stop at that point ever since it started. Now they may have turned them off at some point and turned it back on but they were there I believe since the begining. Saving money in one area does not allow more money to go to another area. Think of all the parks CederFair owns and how much money it costs to maintain insurance and ride safety...... Again enjoy the rides, as you get older you will realize the safety issues......

Now terp I may be wrong but reading the nytimes blog it seems that the family may not be able to claim the copy-write.... it seems they are doing this to gain their piece of the pie, but it sounds like Marvel may have an opportunity to say that the characters were created for their business and that they own the rights.... With that being said the heirs of Seigel (Superman) are getting a cut from WB and DC..... so many twists and turns

TerP I understand that, thats why I was making my point. Complaining on here about the usefulness or uselessness of trims does not change the way a park operates, for insurance or financial reasons. I am just saying lets enjoy what we have and not complain about the little issues.....

So you are saying the trims serve no point in lowering maintenance costs by slowing the trains down? Or are they pointless to you? You say they they can run with out them, and yes they have done so in the past, but how much work was needed to keep them (the rides) running? Do the rides consider less daily work because of these trims? Has anyone thought that maybe the trims are added this year to see how much work and money could be saved? Possibly as a test run? (and no they dont have to inform the general park that they are doing this---answered the question before it gets asked.... go me)

may i say one thing and i do not mean to start controversy here but here we go...... why complain about a certain ride if we can not do anything about it. If we as a group are so against the current ride on Beast ( I did not make it to the park this year but last year, to me, it felt like the same Beast) then get a petition together and write a letter to the park managers and also ceder fair managers. If we do this maybe they could give us an answer to why the trims have been added to the ride. Realistically the trims seem to be added to save money for the park and also to ensure the ride is around much longer for more guests. (I am sorry for the following statement and mean it not at anyone in general) It seems on this board more people are concerned about their personal rides and have yet reached the maturity level needed to understand business decisions. On this ride or SOB it seems people think it is easy and cheap to keep a ride up and operating, where in reality Ceder Fair is an entertainment company set on trying to be in the black versus the red. If that means they put trims on a ride to have cheaper ride costs, then so be it. If it means my entry fee is slightly lower because of this great. I feel we have all missed the point of going to a park to enjoy the rides as they are. Sometimes we get caught up in blaming someone else or wishing it was something else. Go to the park to enjoy yourself, enjoy a ride on the longest wooden roller coaster, built over 30 years ago. Do not dwell on the negatives it will make your ride much more enjoyable. As time goes more and more things will be added and taken away due to safety concerns or maintenance and one years ride will never match another but dont dwell on it my friends. Enjoy what we have and if you dont like it then dont ride it. Sure feel free to reminiscence about the good ol days but currently we have what we have and only being angry ruins your enjoyment. I am sorry if I have offended anyone and I know I will be attacked for this but for just a moment mature slightly and think that the park is not their for your entertainment only. (This goes for all rides not just Beast) If you have a serious problem find a constructive way to bring the issue to light with management and not just posting on a message board. Thanks for reading and I am sure I will get flamed for this.....

Another place for the video just in case is here also. Yeah seriously I am 23 and if a cable snapped while I was riding a ride and some stuff hit me in the lef I would be screaming horribly..