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Gajone I feel that you and I are engaged in a good ol fashioned spitting into the wind contest. Where we both agree (perception makes it look like US turns things around quicker) while we disagree about the time frames. I offer this to you since we both probably won't change our opinions on here that if the time ever happens at a KIC event we can finish this convo over good ol adult brew .... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Then the signature meals would come off of the dining plan and or a new tier would be entered? Where did you read that the combing wouldn't be happening. Plus I just got the mailing from DVC that said you can use you meal credits for others. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

If that's the case and they take longer to BUILD it then congrats you were right. You said it takes longer to BUILD not see plans implemented. And also to the above poster I agree Forbidden Journey is a great ride that's more than just screens Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

From a family finance side, it was very nice to not worry about meals and spending money on them. For many families the cost to eat can be a significant amount of the money spent when on vacation. So much so that you may not have money left over for other things or you save it till the end. With my family we all had various amounts of money we could spend. But at the meal time there was no plate envy based on price. If you wanted the steak or the fish you had the choice. Plus if you wanted an Olaf cupcake or a big cookie you could do it. Yes we paid for it before we left but it made the entire trip sort of nice knowing it was all paid off so you could just eat and enjoy Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

But I will give you that from announcement to finish US does beat Disney. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I understand all that. This entire discussion is based around the fact that you challenged my statement that Disney has taken longer to build new attractions and themed lands in their parks than US is recent years. You've since tried to disprove that with incomplete and inaccurate data.Avatar land was announced 5 years ago and won't be ready until next year. New Fantasy Land was completed 5 years after being announced. Universal's major projects are completed in half that time from the time they are announced, yet still produce at a quality that is on par with Disney. Hence my original comment in this thread. And nothing in this post I quoted has relevancy to that discussion. You're going full on straw-man here. If you're trying to argue that Disney doesn't need to change as frequently or drastically, that's fine and I agree. But don't act like Disney takes the same amount of time to produce their new major overhauls in the parks when it simply isn't true. Sent from my SM-G925V using Tapatalk I was trying to bring it all full circle and end in amicably. And also point out that while Universal was upgrading or adding a ride here or there, Disney was upgrading other things. They may not bring people to the park but it makes things slightly more enjoyable. But if you would like some facts about major park expansions. Here we go again. I don't care when something is announced I'm talking about from breaking ground etc. Avatar broke ground on Jan 10, 2014 and is expected to finish in 2017. 3-3.5 years Harry Potter broke ground mid 2007, finished June 18, 2010, 3 years. The second Harry Potter broke ground early to mid 2011, and finished July 8, 2014. 3 years Disney Fantasy Land: started 2011 and finished Nov 2014, 3.5 years. While not officially a rebuild and areas were opened up in stages. Who cares when it's announced. Just because it gets announced or confirmed doesn't mean a thing. I even agreed with you that it's all perception. That it seems to take longer because Disney announced things earlier. But that's hardly Disneys fault if anything they are giving people time to get "last rides". Kong Skull Island a smaller not as involved redo as compared to HP but from what I have seen online ground breaking started around Jan/Feb 2014 and will open mid 2016 so almost 2.5 years. Star Wars is broke ground this year and is expected to open 2018, 3 years. I'm not trying to compare single rides because the Redo of Hulk or Spidey or Transformers is no different than Disney doing the Snow White or KI building Banshee. From broken ground to completion the time lines are almost identical. Disney as a company has historically announced projects early in the design. From the parks to movies to anything. Disney almost enjoys taking the audience on a ride through development. It's almost like they are making money on it. Universal recently has not done it the same way. They make the announcement and then break ground. If I were to take a guess I would think the planning is about the same. So when Disney announces something and then breaks ground 2 years later they probably when through the same process as US. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

That's Standard Dining. Deluxe Dining is 3 meals anywhere, hence to maximize value you would eat at 3 sit down restaurants. You also get 2 snacks daily with that plan. Sent from my SM-G925V using Tapatalk You are right! My brain went sideways for a moment carry on! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Your point is right but Deluxe Dining is only 1 quick service and 1 table so you really only need to sit down 2 times. When we went, breakfast was one sit down and then either a large late lunch or an earlier dinner. Breakfast every day was in the hotel restaurant and we are almost all of the character meals Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Ok let's look at facts. Disney has built its park brand around the idea that you have to visit at least once in your life. The parks are crowded and they are raising ticket prices to maybe try and fix that problem. I really doubt that the Disney parks have a negative perception to the general public. And probably the park enthusiast crowd they couldnt care less about. Heck last year the Peter Pan ride and the Small World rides had long waits and people getting into line to experience them. Walt Disney has timeless brands. US lacks that long term iconic brand and thus have to reimagine their park more often as well. Name the last 3 things King Kong was in and then compare that to the Disney Peter Pan Whinnie the Pooh or Mickey Mouse. The fact that these characters keep showing up makes it that the rides don't have to change that drastically Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

A big selling point of the plan is its a good deal, which it really is though. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

The perception is a big thing no doubt. As for the Magic Bands, that is no small feat and right or wrong have significantly altered (I think for he better) the guest experience in the park. During that time they also continue to work things in such as the light changing Mickey ears to match shows to continuing other infrastructure for the park systems. Also WDW has 4 parks a bunch of hotels while Universal has 2 and a handful of hotels. The cost to maintain and build has to be allocated as well. And the time frames I posted were from news articles I found on Google. But let's be honest. Both parks are killing it and I was just sort of defending WDW because it felt like everyone was making it seem bad when we are really lucky to see both pros investing in their properties almost on a yearly basis Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Terp it's like you took a slice of Americana and served it on a plate ... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Well depending on where your final destination is you can always take 71 to 70 over to 77 and take that down the coastline. A bit longer but not terrible Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Look at what I wrote. Construction started in 11 and finished in 14. Construction started about a year after construction ended on the first part. Planning probably started during construction of the first part. Pointing out a fact (construction taking about 3 years) doesn't make Universal bad. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I type all of that and say I really enjoy both resorts. Both are wonderful. I love the content at a Universal aAnd the dedication at Disney. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

The difference is Disney takes their sweet time to get new lands and attractions up and running, while Universal seems to be on a whole different level of production while still producing at a level on par with Disney (in recent years anyway).Sent from my SM-G925V using Tapatalk I don't want to start an argument but this line always gets bounced around with little to no "facts" to back it up other than assumptions. Harry Potter IOA was announced and construction started in 07 and finished in 2010. Avatar started construction in 14 and assumed completion in 17. 2011-2014 for the Second part of Harry Potter land to open up. 2010-2014 for Fantasy Lands upgrade at magic kingdom. Kong Island from 13-16 To be honest the timelines seem almost similar. Plus Disney for the most part is working with timeless attractions and characters while Universal is working with a limited character audience. The timeless characters means that the change don't have to happen as often. And maybe it's media coverage. Because thugs change a bit faster at Universal it could be that things are not released as early or found out about as they are over at Disney. Star Wars land announced in 15 construction to begin in 16 and most likely finished in 18... Not really different that Harry Potter. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

But it's no different that people will proudly pay $75month on a 700+ credit card debt while buying more on that card.... My real concern/question about everything is what happens if CF can't be bought outright. Will they spin the parks off individually or will they strip em down and limit the sale of the land... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Love the writing and feel it should get a bump back to the front pge Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Not to be that guy but yeah.... I wouldn't expect anything but the best from Universal and/or Disney. The parks are fighting for the same tourist dollars practically Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I worked across the parking lot/street back in 07/08. After the show we would go over there for a drink or two. Always seemed clean and not terrible. My question is once a building gets so bad can it be fixed to house food again. Will people go with that record? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

True. The more rare a location the odds that it stays full which means more money. More money means they can take care of the place. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

The most telling sign of how much weather can change is that since 2 pm of the 17 (and as of this writing it's 11:57 on the 22) there has been 50 weather prediction reports. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

The most telling sign of how much weather can change is that since 2 pm of the 17 (and as of this writing it's 11:57 on the 22) there has been 50 weather prediction reports. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I feel that I need to drag out my old man knowledge of meteorology: Weather prediction is a science and an art at the same time. Predictions are made using a scientific formula that uses a bunch of current data (think temps in and around the area, barometric pressure, wind, humidity, etc). Depending on the meteorologists, some have created their own formulas, some modify others, and some buy formulas. These formulas are all out into the computer systems that help crunch the data. These formulas then create multiple models based on differing degrees of predictability. The chief meteorologist and/or the others will look at the data and models and pick the one that fits the area the most. (Some models may say yes it's 90 now but there's a 5% chance of 15 inches of snow in 3 days). The models all include weather patterns and high low pressure systems. The more data points the more likely they can predict out and the closer you are predicting for the higher the percentage of being right. Realistically, 1 day our you are 85-95, 3-5 days you are sitting at 50-60, 5-8 days your sitting at 25-40%, 8 days or more it's about 10% accurate. Those numbers can change slightly with a bunch of data (think if you take 100 data points you increase your predictability by .5%. ) Most weather prediction software and models can predict out years and they are comical to look at. Because they predict/model weather on a continent basis they can show high/low pressure formations switching polar blasts changing directions, permanent cold spots settling over Mexico, etc. The problem is that there is a lot of science involved and people don't understand all of the variables that influence weather. The easiest way to think of this is imagine driving down 275 shooting an arrow at a car that's in front of you. The closer the car (day) the easier it is to hit. But if the car changes lanes, hits traffic, has a cross wind, etc it becomes difficult. So yes meteorologists can be wrong but it's difficult to be accurate when literally you are taking in every major variable of all of space and time to predict what may happen in a day or two Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Everything I have ever been taught about crisis management and minor pr kerfluffles is to own it and get out in front of it. It truly felt like the opposite was happening with Sea World. A report surfaces at least on the surface play lip service and say we will investigate all claims and vow that you will be a bastion of animal rights, etc Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk