SonofBaconator

I mean Planet Snoopy won Best Kids section for nearly 20 years. I believe they're focusing back on Planet Snoopy in the coming years. Orion is a completely different story. Read @KIghostguy's book and you'll understand. I don't understand the dated part. The park spent a ton of money renovating International Street, the Eiffel Tower is being repainted, they restored the glockenspiel at the Festhaus, brought back an antique car ride, I could go on. We did have a global wide pandemic that affected spending across the chain. The lack of shade part I can understand but the rest seems a bit exaggerated considering everything we've gotten under Cedar Fair.

For me its either Beast's second lift hill or Vortex's. I have a soft spot for low angle lift hills that take time and build anticipation. Anything from Cedar Point is great too just because of the views.

I partially feel like there's a certain "weight" to that stuff. HHN is run by Universal, a movie company, so they have access to IP and certain cinematic elements at their disposal. Not that HHN isn't a good event, in fact I'm arguing the opposite... I feel like their event is guaranteed to be good. I mean look at this I don't know if their use of IPs gives them an unfair advantage or not.

Taft/KECO, Paramount, and Cedar Fair have all been owners of KI. I'd like to get some of your opinions on some of the best and worst decisions made by each owner. Basically I want a best and worst for Taft/KECO, a best and worst for Paramount, and a best and worst for Cedar Fair.

Yeah that was my initial thought as well

I'd rather The Beast remain secluded. Orion's turn around and Vortex's demolition have partially compromised this so I'd rather nothing else be added into the woods.

The more operating days part is spot on. Thursday Haunts would help increase attendance. The main reason why extended seasons are hard is because of the rapid change in weather our region faces. KI doesn't have a ton of rides that can operate regardless of the season or weather. I feel like if the park had at least one more dark ride, more people would be willing to go because its an inside ride. Would that get us to 4 million? Not necessarily but it would help.

Kings Island is one of the three seasonal Cedar Fair parks that gets over 3 million visitors every season. Will we ever see the park surpass 4 million? What changes would have to be made to even get close to this number?

Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe MFs are lighter than PTCs so that would require less trims. Imagine riding The Beast on Millennium Flyers without trims, I would be in heaven

I'd rather have more blockzones but not during the main course of the ride. I always liked the concept of a blockzone between the station and the lift hill like what you see on Fury 325 and Maverick.

According to RCDB it had a capacity of 1,100 riders per hour, which if you want a comparison is 100 people per hour less than The Bat's capacity. In theory this capacity could be increased if you added more block zones before and after the station to allow more trains. I think if they could get rid of the pain people experienced it would be a cool, clonable concept that would be reminiscent of what Premier did with their Spaghetti Bowls.

A painless version of Flashback, B&M, vest restraints, enclosed like Flight of Fear

Cornered is going to be where Cornstalkers used to be which is cool

LSMs have come a long way, I wouldn't count them out

I always felt like if they kept it, pretty the area up and add some stuff surrounding it

I could see them attempt to "modify" the coaster before they would think about removing it. Red Force has LSMs so that might be an option Cedar Point could explore. Something is going to have to change to this ride. I know there were cable issues in 04 and 16, and while the launch wasn't directly the cause of the 2021 incident, it might be a safe bet that the ride's intense acceleration and immediate declaration might compromise certain parts over time.

I wonder how much revenue another small year round park would bring to the chain. Cedar Fair offers quality service and attractions but they would definitely be more sustainable if they were generating more revenue year round.

And look what happened

I was going to say, Sea World and Six Flags have more year round properties and extended seasons than we do. If Cedar Fair had a larger year round property they would get in more revenue.

I understand coasters have to be thrilling but there are times when I wonder when parks and manufacturers go too far

I wish they'd bring back the 4D theater if Urgent Scare is indeed leaving. You could show scary 4D movies like they used to do at Fear Fest.

Here's my opinion: Fill Vortex's land with a sit down looper When the time comes, rip out BLSC and put in a Mack spinner geared towards families

He's talking about how the original TTD concept went even further back which would have meant that Gemini would have been torn down to make room.

You basically confirmed that TTD's technology was obsolete

You forgot to include car mechanics