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I think it'll come down to hill sizes to determine this ride's ranking. If hills 2-3-4 are in the 150 ft tall range, we've got leviathan 2.0 and a lot of enthusiasts will melt. If hills 2-3-4 are 75 ft tall, watch out. It could be a hell of a ride.

I know plenty of people who actually work in the concrete and foundation trades, and the only people I hear call them are footings are on this site. It may be the proper term, but footers is an industry term and is used commonly. People have spent months planning their dream giga out on this site. 399 ft tall and longer than steel dragon. World record breaker. Up and down the ravines through the forest. yada yada. To see a lift that may only barely hit 300 if that and a length that rivals Diamondback is quite a reality check. It's the standard grief cycle.

Also, we've seen the transfer track and it's only 40 ft. Diamondback's trains won't fit on it.

Whoever drew that layout did it in Cad. Thats not photoshop. It's too detailed. Even the new coaster has the footers and rails shown. That means they had to have access to cad files of the park and spent hours making a fake based on legit blueprints and the clearing. If people show up at the park today and they've cleared trees up to Banshee, their work is in the garbage. This is not a home made fake. I'll go as far as saying theres no way it's fake. I'd bet a lot it was drawn by B&M directly. There is a possibility that they pitched multiple concepts to KI and this was a rejected one. If thats the case, either someone who had access to this within the park leaked it as a joke, or someone somehow got access to and leaked it not realizing it was a rejected model. I think the madhouse clearing is because they are behind schedule. With Banshee, we had footers already by this time. Weather has not been kind this year. I'm just tagging this post to reply to all you said, but you've missed a lot in the last 80 pages. The measurements came from putting the leaked layout over top of a google map and lining the scale and buildings of the layout to the real ones. Then using the measure feature in Google, you can get a length of the path. Every time the 4600 ft number has been posted, by me at least, I've qualified it with it not accounting for the ups and downs and that would increase the overall length. Others have gone and measured other coasters paths and compared to their actual lengths to make guesstimates as to how long this coaster will be. Theres no way to know how accurate that will be until an official length is released. Theres no way to do the math on this as we don't know how many hills, how tall they are, what their actual radius is, etc etc. We are just doing estimations based on what has been leaked. Here in a few hours, depending on the status of footer work and clearing(or lack of) we could have another post explosion.

Most sites have rules against illegally obtained photos. It's a fair bet that the leaker didn't have the rights to release them. If KI were to send Reddit or those other sites a request, they'd remove them. The mods just know that KI watches this board, so no need to wait until they are asked/told to remove them.

After recreating your work in autocad, and was running into the same conclusion till I started messing with the scale of the pic you used. Scaling it down brought the lift hill height higher. Obviously that can't be done indefinitely. It comes down to getting the scale of the pic to match the scale of the measurement drawing. If the start and end points of the pic don't match exactly to the drawing you are trying to measure, it's not going to give you an accurate radius. Also, it appears that the pic and the lift line you are using aren't the same angle. It looks like it's making the overall length longer and making the fury lift bigger than it should be. That would artificially lower the height for the KI comparison. That being said, Fury's overall backbone to backbone is ~540. Leviathan's is ~520. KI's is 453. Fury's "angular height" where the lift and drop would meet with no rounding is 400, but true height with rounding is 325. KI's angular height is 335. And none of this accounts for the increase in land. I'm not really liking what the math is showing. Something that could explain a few things. And this is just a spitball. What if its a 90 degree drop? Doing that changes the math at the top and could allow to hit 300. The angular height on a 90 is 380 ft, but obviously would require some sort of curve height reduction. They could also market it as the first 90 degree drop/steepest drop giga. I don't think it's a dive coaster, but dive coasters do not have the backbone footer at the base of the drop. A 90 degree drop could explain why it's not on the plans.

There was a change in philosophy a month or so ago. Not sure the current status, but it was definitely suggested that they wouldn't be following the parks edicts as carefully.

Actually I think it's been suggested that FOF's outside queue will be removed and replaced with the FOF queue. Getting rid of the old outside queue would free up the path to Lil Giga. That was brought up pretty quickly. The plans are too detailed for a fake. If it's fake, it's an internal fake. I don't think they've been on. They deleted a lot of the stuff posted yesterday and made a statement. But as fast as this is moving, moderation is almost impossible.

Old Firehawk queue. New FOF overflow queue

Yeah, if you are going to come up with $100+ million, I'm pretty sure you could just go to the park and offer to pay for the super coaster everyone wants and they will put in a webcam and give us daily tours.

Now that I think about it. I've never seen you and John Matarese in the same room at the same time before.

To be fair, you were also there when this was leaked and had a copy before pretty much anyone else....

It's an autocad drawing. If we had the actual file instead of screen caps, it would make more sense.

Take a look at this coaster layout. ONLY 2120 ft long. And look at that boring path. How could anyone build that? Oh, it also is 400 ft tall and goes 120 mph. So theres that.

It means nothing. The MT blueprints "Project North" was about 45 degrees off True North.

That building is outside the boundary of the leaked plan. They are building it out by the boneyard.

I don't have an answer on the paths, but nothing we speculated on counts. The new coaster plans don't require the sheds be moved.

That was posted already. His argument for it being fake hinges on the trees by the helix being there. Th trees are clearly west of the DA path and the helix always stays east of the DA path. He's just wrong.

The track is a straight line.

The plans from the city don't extend to that crossing. They stop short of the old DA path.

WHat are the yellow and blue dots meant to signify?

Just as a point for arguments sake. Imagine Diamondback being the same ride but the lift is 300 ft tall and you hit those airtime hills 15 mph faster.

4600 ft is just the path without any account for ups and downs. It picks up quite a bit of distance doing that. Those aren't the footers for the entire coaster. Thats just the ones in that plan from the city around the station. All of the footers at the station, transfer track and shed you'd absolutely want to be the exact same height.

Debunks plans because of trees on the west side of the path are in the way of a helix that is completely on the east side of the path..... Alrighty then. Also, the mods are going to delete that.

As been said many times, the height of the station is irrelevant. The blueprints from the city are the footer blueprints. The footers are on the ground. The backbone that we have calculated everything off of, attaches directly to the footer. The station could be 100 foot off the ground and it wouldn't change the height of the lift.