WooferBearATL Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 Under this theory, I really wonder why the Carousel has lasted as long as it has. Very low ridership and always has been. Very high maintenance in the care of the horses. I say it should go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 Well, under Cedar Fair, the organ has disappeared so far. . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKIDelirium Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 CBS removed the organ in 2006. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 It is my understanding the organ disappeared after June 30, 2006... If so, CBS had nothing to do with it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Bombay Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 And to compare the maintenance done on a few horses per year to the cost of maintaining an aging log flume throughout an entire season is like comparing how good the food was in the 80's to how it is now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WooferBearATL Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 Well yeah, the food should actually be better than it was. The restaurant industry has come so far in 20 odd years that the actual production should be easier than before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Posted August 20, 2007 Author Share Posted August 20, 2007 Why are hydroflumes so costly compared to log flumes? PLEASE!! Help me understand the difference of the two.. I guess nobody appreciates height and just wants to be soaked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Bombay Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 Even Six Flags Great Adventure removed their hydroflume. http://www.amusementpics.com/Hydro%20Flume.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 And why did they do that? Low ridership and high maintenance costs. Sound familiar? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Bombay Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 Sure does, even had the same tell tale sign of low ridership that KI's had....they closed one side of the drop. Simply put, the hydro flumes were not that thrilling of attractions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browntggrr Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 Simply put, the hydro flumes were not that thrilling of attractions. What does the thrill of an attraction have to do with it being removed or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Changmanky Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 I was always wondering....How high was you up in the flumes above the ground and what was the drop height???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Changmanky Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 Back then i rode it when i was 8 and then 9 and i remenber that it was really high. i thought maybe a 100 feet but now im wondering if that not right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Bombay Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 Simply put, the hydro flumes were not that thrilling of attractions. What does the thrill of an attraction have to do with it being removed or not? They werent very thrilling attractions and in their later years did not attract guests like they used do (or in some cases, never did) and usually when a ride is generally viewed as not thrilling by your general guests, that leads to low ridership. Low ridership, high maintenance costs, and being surpassed by other attractions in their own parks are what shut the hydroflumes down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browntggrr Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 I can agree with taking a ride out for high maintenance/ operation costs, and to a lesser degree, low ridership. It makes sense. Why put money into a ride that guests don't want to be on? (insert SoB joke here) I can't see on how thrilling a ride is has anything to do with their removal. There are many ride that are just plain fun, that have no thrills at all (i.e. bumper cars, pirate ships, swings etc.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Bombay Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 KCKC and the other hydroflumes werent found to be thrilling (which was the point of their design) or entertaining in comparisson to other attractions and water rides that could be foudn in their repsected parks, this lead to low ridership. As seen at KI, CP, and SFGADV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 As can be seen here, the Coal Cracker at Hersheypark has a 49 foot chute drop. As for not being thrilling or what it would be rated thrillwise these days, Hersheypark calls it a 4, saying: *4* High Thrill Ride - This is a fast-paced ride experience with unexpected changes in speed, direction, and/or elevation. This ride may contain significant twists, turns, bumps, spins, and loops, and requires rider full body control. http://www.hersheypa.com/attractions/hersh...q=yes&id=19 There is no minimum height requirement as such. The 4 rating is the same as the Comet and Lightning Racer. See: http://www.hersheypa.com/attractions/hersh...;pa=99&rt=1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dvo Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 For whoever doubts that flume rides can be thrilling: http://www.coasterimage.com/pictures/knott...therrides01.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeLorean Rider Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 Yea now find a picture of the racing harness that they make you wear in order to experience the ride... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Posted August 20, 2007 Author Share Posted August 20, 2007 Okay guys but what makes a Hydro Flume LESS thrilling that a logflume? Does getting soaked add more excitement as opposed to higher heights and speed? Ohh and how deep exactly is KCKC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeLorean Rider Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 Okay guys but what makes a Hydro Flume LESS thrilling that a logflume? Does getting soaked add more excitement as opposed to higher heights and speed? Ohh and how deep exactly is KCKC? Who said it was any less thrilling? If you're implying that KCKC is less thrilling than Wild Thornberrys because KCKC was removed then think again. There's not always a simple answer to every question. MANY factors led to the removal of KCKC. MANY factors led to the non-removal of the Log Flume. Also thrill is a matter of opinion. Now let me get my yard stick out and measure the depth of the now defunct KCKC. Take a guess, you worked on flume, its probably about the same. DeLorean Rider accelerating up to 88mph with a yard stick in his hand... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italianchef Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 Wow! I am surprised that anyone remembers Kenton's Cove. It seems like it disappeared many ages ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browntggrr Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 ^ It is easy to remember something that is now gone. Especially since what replaced it... well, let's just say it's not the worst ride in the park. It needs to actually operate to be considered a ride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKIVortex Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 It last operated in 2000, and they started to tear it down in 2001, I remember watching them tear it down, when I would go on brake. I would take the long way to Oscar's through Rivertown and cut behind Wings just to watch them. TRTR opened in 2002, so it wasn't all that long ago when KCKC operated. I remember everyone thought PKI didn't like rides with KC as it's initials cause KC last operated in 2001. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Posted August 21, 2007 Author Share Posted August 21, 2007 So I guess then it was removed due to maintainence costs even though I thought King's Mill was older, and queue lines being too short. I would have hated to witness it being torn down... wow, and lol at the "TR:TR not being the worst ride comment" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 Remember, the smaller flume was completely rehabbed when it was kept. Both flumes were beginning to have very high maintenance costs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WooferBearATL Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 Remember, the smaller flume was completely rehabbed when it was kept. Both flumes were beginning to have very high maintenance costs. So what you're saying is that a rehab would have solved a great deal of the maintenance costs? Ahhhh, now I understand. Paramount just used the most expedient method to solve the issue. After all, it makes most sense to physically remove water rides from an area called Rivertown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Bombay Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 No, he's not saying that at all, your just trying to warp his words to make some sarcastic point. All he was saying is that both flumes were accumulating a great deal of maintenance costs and for KI it at the time it made sense to renovate the smaller one and give it new life as a re-themed kids attraction where as they saw very little future in KCKC which was experiencing dwindling ridership and could use the land as room for a new attraction. Now I'm sure since you were a 1980's foods employee if you were in command of the park it would be in much better condition today with it under your wonderful guidance but thats not how it turned out. If you check out the link to Great Adventures flume I posted earlier you can see that they rehabbed their Hydroflume in a similar fashion to our Kings Mills log flume and even that didn't hold up for long. Paramount just used the most expedient method to solve the issue. You know, you always knock Paramount yet have nothing to compare it to. Try visiting the park and see how Debt loaded Cedar Fair is doing things, you may be surprised that Cedar Fair may not be any better than the old Paramount folks, although you haven't even visited KI under Cedar Fair's ownership, nor have you been to KI or CP in years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jzarley Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 The new waterpark at the Columbus Zoo is installing a new water flume made by Hafema Water Rides. I tried to locate a web site for them to see what some of their models look like, but the only site I could find listed for them (in German) wouldn't load for me. Other than Duddley Do-Right at IOA, I'm not aware of any new flumes which have been built in the last several years in the US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browntggrr Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 You know, you always knock Paramount yet have nothing to compare it to. Try visiting the park and see how Debt loaded Cedar Fair is doing things, you may be surprised that Cedar Fair may not be any better than the old Paramount folks, although you haven't even visited KI under Cedar Fair's ownership, nor have you been to KI or CP in years. Speaking of warped... Paramount had how long? CF has had how long? The changes so far have been encouraging. I may not agree with depositing extra money into a ride that does not deserve it, but at least CF had the testicular fortitude to pull the trigger and get the ride operating. They did what they had to do. And that was in only in their FIRST year under heavy financial demands. So, in comparison, the future is that much more brighter with CF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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