BoddaH1994 Posted August 24, 2007 Author Share Posted August 24, 2007 OK, two things: 1) Am I the only one that thinks the new logo looks really slick? 2) Was the name changed due to Paramount owning the name FearFest? Yeah, I know that with the sale to CF, there was a certain time alloted where CF could still use Paramount's likeness and titles. But with this rather big change, is this only a preview of all things Paramount no longer being part of the park? No, you were right. Cedar Fair owns the intellectual property of "Fearfest". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karen Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 I am sorry but I think that Kings Island charges enough as it is to add a sir charge to Halloween Haunt. We have to pay out the nose now for cold and terrible food. They gave us chinese last year which was good then took it away for another skyline and uncooked hot dogs. I ate at wings this year and it cost me over $31.00 for some half decent food - nothing special and wayyyy too much for what you could get. Kings Island makes more money off of the food that you have to consume there as you are not allowed to bring your own, and the gifts they sell in all of their shops than they ever made off of admission so my suggestion?? DO NOT CHARGE MORE but SELL GIFTS that are specifically Halloween Haunt similar to I SURVIVED Halloween Haunt - and make your money there. Most people would prefer to buy the gifts than have to pay not only the $50.00 to get in the park THEN pay an additional $10 (or more) to get into the park??? Come on I think that just a tad bit much and everyone knows that I am a big fear fest fan. Charging more would severely limit my visits to the park for that event and Yes I am one that does buy my Kings Island pass simply for the fear fest event. They could make a nice profit on those shirts/buttons/pin/pens/ etc than they ever would with the park admission. Who would not love to wear or own something they collected as a result of the haunt??? I know I would but do I want to pay that extra amount and nothing to show for it?? NOPE sorry as much as I love fear fest - give us something we can show for being there instead of that admission. Hmmm a T-shirt they pay $5.00 or less for and charge $25.00 hmmmm see the profit?? You want money - go in a different direction - this way we have a choice. That is just my input. I love you fear fest scare actors to death but come on give me a choice on where my money goes!!! Think of the possibilities of profit in the direction I suggest?? Even haunt specific area items?? And if they do charge THIS YEAR they could run into a lot of issues with it as yes when I bought my pass it DID SAY FREE 2007 FEAR FEST WITH PASS. Now let's not get picky and say "But this year it is Halloween Haunt" and try to get away with it - I can see some major issues for PR on this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Bombay Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 I wish they would charge extra for FF/Haunt, then we'll start to see a higher level of detail and scare.. much comparable to Halloween Horror Nights. Also, Haunt IS an upcharge event at Knott's... so don't cry if they charge for the event at Kings Island. If they DO charge, it probably won't be by much; I'm thinking like a $10-$12 a ticket for Haunt. -Hauntguy If it's really THAT much better (which I have faith it will be!) then I would have no problem paying $10-12 for it. I enjoy the event and dont have a problem shelling out 10-12 bucks for it but when season passes went on sale and I purchased mine under the impression that it was included with Park Admission I think I'd be pretty annoyed let alone how much of an uproar it would cause with the general public. Sure it be nice to deliver a little more quality for the event, I'm all for improving the event as its a lot of fun, but I think its pretty stupid for Cedar Fair to charge for it, IF they charge for it, when theyve been advertising it as free with park admission in the park maps ALL YEAR and sold passes to guests who were told and under the impression that the event was included with park admission. If CF does charge for it, they should probably announce that sooner and not later and maybe change the map advertisements! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karen Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 Yes I forgot that the first few years they charged $20.00 per person for fear fest - guess what? I went one time. They made the mistake of giving me surveys - well I have no problems giving my input as my opinion is just as important as anyone elses - not more important - just as important. Paying customers make the local amusement parks. I tend to remember seeing a very low attendance for fear fest turn into a very very packed fear fest. Their lines went from being about 20 to 30 minute waits to several hour waits - let's see what is more profitable?? In 2001 I had gone to Kings Island during the day and they "closed" the park but we still wandered around. Watched things get turned on and when fear fest started - during the paid time. You had to have the wrist bands to enter the events so we just walked around and watched. It was fun just watching. That was when I could walk. So ok here is another suggestion - charge admission for the haunts and allow others to just wander the park with park admission. I am in a wheelchair and trust me the haunts are NOT wheel chair accessible, or were not the past few years. My wheelchair was damanged quite a bit trying to get around the corners. The leg pieces, omg, the protective tips broke off on both of them, one leg piece the entire foot was knocked off of it and it took me hours to get it back in and fixed, people kept falling over me and knocking things off of my chair. The walk ways are nearly impossible for me to get through without lighting of some sort and they would not even allow us a small flashlight or cellphone to help. Try driving your car around a tight corner without your headlights?? See the comparison? Wheelchair people should be allowes small lights as I really could not get a lot of fun in the tight areas on the houses so I stuck to the trails and had a blast - there were no issues going on headless hallow - had a few on psycho path because of the Mud lol and a few bad parts around the hanging bodies - man those things stunk he he. But other than that had a blast on the trails. As for the parents with small children - place a sign at park entrance - actually several that state: THIS IS A HARDCORE SCARE EVENT. ANY COMPLAINTS OF BEING TOO SCARY OR OUR SCARE ACTORS BEING SCREAMED AT FOR BEING TOO SCARY AND YOU WILL BE ASKED TO LEAVE THE PARK - NO REFUNDS. Or something to that effect. You tell a parent no refunds or the embarassment of being ejected from the event - ohhhh trust me they will stay away. And if there is an extra charge do you think this will eliminate this? The only way to stop this - and it is unfair to the kids that love scary events - would be to limit fear fest to a particular age level. I have two grandsons, ages 5 and 7, that fear fest or any kind of Halloween Haunt would have no bearing on them at all. The 5 year old fears nothing so do not limit their fun. Except the R rated event now that area should be off limits to anyone under age 17 honestly - depending on how graphic they decide to get. Now you have my full 2 cents worth he he he. What do you think of my ideas and what are yours? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Bombay Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 Well said Karen, as much as I love Fearfest and I have the utmost respect for KI's entertainment department, the houses really are not wheel chair accessible at all and that is very unfair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOPGUN1993 Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 I called the park and they said "Halloween Haunt is free if you have a season pass" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoddaH1994 Posted August 25, 2007 Author Share Posted August 25, 2007 I called the park and they said "Halloween Haunt is free if you have a season pass" That is NOT the final word. You will see a press release within a few weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PKIVortex Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 If they charge I will only go once. I can't justify myself spending 20 dollars or whatever it will be just go visit the HH. I hope it will be included with your season pass, if not it will be a big mistake in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjkjkj Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 so Are you saying that you still have to pay even if you have a season pass? There are going to be so many complaints from people that bought season passes knowing that they were told the Fearfest / now Halloween Horror would be included!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoddaH1994 Posted August 25, 2007 Author Share Posted August 25, 2007 As I said, there is no final decision at this point. Trust me, I am not witholding information from you guys. Anything they do will be in your best interest. It may not sound so pretty to have to drop a few bucks on HH, but don't forget that it's really THAT much bigger this year and the crowds should be a lot smaller! Also, there was a price point from another park mentioned in another thread. If I were you, I wouldn't assume that what happens at another park is necessarily what's going to happen at KI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKIVortex Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 No for one that other park, Scarowinds always charged extra for there Halloween Event. But I was just saying, if KI decides to make HH an upcharge it will change my plans on visiting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoddaH1994 Posted August 25, 2007 Author Share Posted August 25, 2007 No for one that other park, Scarowinds always charged extra for there Halloween Event. But I was just saying, if KI decides to make HH an upcharge it will change my plans on visiting. If it's an upcharge (and no one, not KIC, not KI is ready to say whether or not it will be) they will make it worth your time. Trust me, once you start seeing the photos on here and reading the trip reports, you may just change your mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjkjkj Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 Well they should at least wait untill next year to start charging for this event ( if they do charge) because it was said to have been included with admission this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoddaH1994 Posted August 25, 2007 Author Share Posted August 25, 2007 Well they should at least wait untill next year to start charging for this event ( if they do charge) because it was said to have been included with admission this year. Fearfest was advertised to be free. No one said a word about Halloween Haunt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjkjkj Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 Well thats just plain cheap because Fearfest no longer exists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKIVortex Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 Which is very much why they may have changed the name. I'm sorry sir we cancelled FearFest but your more then welcome to pay to enjoy Halloween Haunt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 ...Also, there was a price point from another park mentioned in another thread. If I were you, I wouldn't assume that what happens at another park is necessarily what's going to happen at KI. One price point that was mentioned was "free with a day pass or season pass" at Kings Dominion. . . http://www3.cedarfair.com/kingsdominion/events/events.cfm It even STRESSES that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoddaH1994 Posted August 25, 2007 Author Share Posted August 25, 2007 I can understand why initially it looks really bad, but trust me, they're doing this for you. They're not just trying to get a couple of extra bucks from their passholders. In the past few years, there have been numerous complaints that peoples' Fearfest experience wasn't what it should be because they had to wait for several hours for different attractions, and they only got to do one or two attractions. This way, you can have a much more enjoyable experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buchers Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 I have bought my passes for the last 4 years because of the fact that I could go to Fear Fest for free. I go every weekend during October, its really when I get the most out of my pass. If they decide to charge for admission this year I will not be going even once! Especially since when I bought my pass admission was included. Saying "Your pass included admission to Fear Fest but we no longer have Fear Fest, we have Halloween Haunt now" is just splitting hairs. If passholders get screwed out of free admission because of a name change there will be some seriously PO'd people! I will also save my money next year and not buy passes for me and my family. Halloween is my favorite time of year and Fear Fest, Halloween Haunt, Scary F'n Halloween Horror Fest That Will Make Small Children Crap Their Pants and Cry For Their Momma, or whatever they call it in the future is something that me and my family look forward to every year. Haunted houses are too expensive to go to anymore and the Halloween event at KI was great. Let's just hope they don't have an upcharge for passholders. On a side note, Club Blood looks like it will be some serious eye candy for the guys!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kwindshawne Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 After advertising all year that fearfest was included in the pass, and then to decide to change the name with a separate charge-well, that would be a grave mistake. If they want to charge for it, do it next year and give the public the chance to decide whether to purchase the pass or not..I can see a lot of PO'd people if they create this "gotcha" situation. On a side note, I feel bad for the folks in guest relations if this comes to pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WooferBearATL Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 Ahhh come on you have to be kidding. This is an event that is very much aside from the daily operation of the park. Do we really think that an event such as this puts on itself? From at the details it seems to be very involved and would be quite expensive to put on. Is the park supposed to do it for free and out of the "goodness of it's heart?" An upcharge to attend this is certainly not as bad as being shot into the sky by a bungee cord. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKIDelirium Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 An upcharge, even a small one, would keep out most of the riff-raff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kwindshawne Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 Ahhh come on you have to be kidding. This is an event that is very much aside from the daily operation of the park. Do we really think that an event such as this puts on itself? From at the details it seems to be very involved and would be quite expensive to put on. Is the park supposed to do it for free and out of the "goodness of it's heart?" An upcharge to attend this is certainly not as bad as being shot into the sky by a bungee cord. I don't have a problem with the upcharge-it comes from not following through with what was originally advertised. That is what I have issue with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoddaH1994 Posted August 26, 2007 Author Share Posted August 26, 2007 I'm telling you people... whatever they do is in the interest of the guest experience. They aren't trying to do the 'ol bait and switch. I understand your frusteration, but again, please wait until you see some photos and read the trip reports before deciding if you're going to pay the upcharge (if there is one). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hauntguy Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 But also think about it! Let's say they charge (I don't know, just "saying") $20 to attend HH... Well HH also has 11 attractions so if you divide it up your only paying $1.81 per attraction, that's counting the fearzones! That's a GREAT DEAL!!!! Hell, I'd pay $1.81 to go through a haunt... can't get that anywere else! -Hauntguy PS: Also, don't argue that you paid $$whatever$$ to get in the park, that's just like ANY park visit... covers rides, shows(non-HH), etc. It's still a GREAT deal! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoddaH1994 Posted August 26, 2007 Author Share Posted August 26, 2007 But also think about it! Let's say they charge (I don't know, just "saying") $20 to attend HH... Well HH also has 11 attractions so if you divide it up your only paying $1.81 per attraction, that's counting the fearzones! That's a GREAT DEAL!!!! Hell, I'd pay $1.81 to go through a haunt... can't get that anywere else! -Hauntguy PS: Also, don't argue that you paid $$whatever$$ to get in the park, that's just like ANY park visit... covers rides, shows(non-HH), etc. It's still a GREAT deal! You're absolutely right. I mean, how much is just ONE haunted house anymore? $15? Also, I think you may have overestimated on one of your figures, Mr. hauntguy. Can't say more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AintNutinElse2Do Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 hmmm..... Well I definitley see both sides on this.... however I don't think they should have an upcharge. Why, you may ask? I think that is purely money driven if they did (though honestly you have to have profit). Every year parks make investments (or at least they should) they say hey I want to pay 20 million to have this coaster and hey i want to spend a million a year on general improvements..... dollywood has festival after festival at no extra charge ever..... they think about it kinda the same way as spending the money on a ride.... they spend money on these festivals for the guests to have a better experience.... not to charge them it's like the park would be selling something else to the guests, after your guest already paid to get in. I understand that $20 dollars or more even would be a good deal to attend Halloween Haunt but Kings Island isn't just a haunted house that opens up a few weekends a year, it's much more. I think they should just think about it as part of their capital spending. I think most guests would see not having to pay extra as a positive and would overall improve the guests' experience. A happy guests tells one person, an unhappy guests tells ten people. Mad people are less likely to come to a park and spend money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoddaH1994 Posted August 26, 2007 Author Share Posted August 26, 2007 hmmm..... Well I definitley see both sides on this.... however I don't think they should have an upcharge. Why, you may ask? I think that is purely money driven if they did (though honestly you have to have profit). Every year parks make investments (or at least they should) they say hey I want to pay 20 million to have this coaster and hey i want to spend a million a year on general improvements..... dollywood has festival after festival at no extra charge ever..... they think about it kinda the same way as spending the money on a ride.... they spend money on these festivals for the guests to have a better experience.... not to charge them it's like the park would be selling something else to the guests, after your guest already paid to get in. I understand that $20 dollars or more even would be a good deal to attend Halloween Haunt but Kings Island isn't just a haunted house that opens up a few weekends a year, it's much more. I think they should just think about it as part of their capital spending. I think most guests would see not having to pay extra as a positive and would overall improve the guests' experience. A happy guests tells one person, an unhappy guests tells ten people. Mad people are less likely to come to a park and spend money. Actually, it should flatline money-wise. Per capita spending is a little over $40/head per the last quarter. Having say, 10,000 people pay a small fee as well as their typical spending in the park should equal out to 30,000 miserable people not paying a fee plus their typical spending. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James78 Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 I'm on the fence about this one. I like the Halloween event being included with my pass. However I remember it being that much better when there was an extra charge. I'm still going either way. In fact I'm looking forward to it. It is a little bittersweet though. While I like Halloween time the best it signals the end of the season which is always a little sad. Although I do remember when I had to pay I was able to hit all the haunts plus a few rides. Whereas lately I have to split the haunts up each visit to get them all in. So I'm fine with a nominal charge for passholders. It sounds like I won't be disappointed and my money will be put to good use. Now I won't be upset in the least if it's still free don't get me wrong. Either way I'm there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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