kjkjkj Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 Thats right! If you buy an 08 season pass at Carowinds you get free admision to Scarowinds. Hopefully Kings Island will do the same for Halloween Haunt! Here is the link to the Carowinds website, it will say it in the red bulliten that comes up on the screen! http://www1.cedarfair.com/carowinds/#actions 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIfan73 Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 I noticed this the other day, too...Has CF's mind changed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH13TEEN Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 I hope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKIVortex Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 I already posted this. Old news, sorry. http://www.KICentral.com/forums/index.php?...mp;#entry185970 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lake54321 Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 It says "Unlimited admission to Carowinds for the 2008 public operating season FREE Parking at all Cedar Fair parks during the 2008 Season FREE SCAROWINDS Halloween Haunt admission in 2008" It DOESN'T SAY UNLIMITED Scarowinds Admission, I bet your only going to get a 1 day Free Admission for it!! What do you think?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoddaH1994 Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 This is not an indication of KI's plans for 2008. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Bombay Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 No, but it could be a sign of things to come. KD has free Halloween Haunt with a pass or admission this year I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastersRZ Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 Very true, it is no indication of Kings Island`s plans, it is a rather curious move. But why, would Carowinds suddenly change Scarowinds to be included free with season passes, after it has ALWAYS been an upcharge attraction, even to pass holders since its inception? It is just a rather curious move, that all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Bombay Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 I think I'd find it very odd if Carowinds and KI switched roles...all the sudden Carowinds is included with admission and KI's is an upcharge yet again. While the general opinion of KI's Halloween Haunt seems to be a bit of an upgrade over the fearfest of the past years, I've always heard that Carowinds' event was held in much higher regard than the other Paramount Park's events, and theme park halloween events in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browntggrr Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 Could it be due to not meeting projected attendance figures? Obviously KI is meeting expectations, but Carowinds may not be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoddaH1994 Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 Or of course they could just be trying something new in that market. Not everything they do reacts to some sort of bad numbers. That's a false assumption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Bombay Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 ^Very true. Could it be due to not meeting projected attendance figures? Obviously KI is meeting expectations, but Carowinds may not be. How do we know KI is meeting expectations? We don't know what goals/attendance figures/expectations they strived to achieve or projected to achieve nor do we know what they actually got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browntggrr Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 Perhaps it's just an assumption on my part, but if CF has made the decision to make HH an upcharge event then it must be doing well. If it wasn't doing good, there would be no reason to potentially lose even more customers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKIVortex Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 What would be an interesting piece of data would be, the actual # of Guests in the park during HH were Season pass Holders. That right there will see how well it's doing. We'll see in 2008 how many SP are willing to spend extra money to go. And if they do, they probably won't go every weekend at least not to Haunt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 Carowinds has a substantial challenge facing it this coming year. Three words: Hard Rock Park. As for Kings Dominion, there is fierce competition on the Halloween front about an hour away...as in BGE.... The Kings Island upcharge, if there is one, may be an experiment....one that I suspect will work about as well as Winterfest did, if the pricing is out of line as Winterfest was. If the pricing is more reasonable, it might well be a huge success....lessening the ridiculous lines that both Halloween events can and do draw at parks like Kings Island, Great Adventure, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AintNutinElse2Do Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 The thing that scares me a bit on this though, is that it just seems to upcharge is more of the less guests + higher prices = more money theory. If you look at CF's press it just always seems like there saying downturns in attendance offset by per guest spending. That thinking can only work for so long. Sure I'm glad that they haven't went broke when less guests came to the parks. I just really wish though the focus would be on getting more guests to the park rather than milking the guests you already have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browntggrr Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 I just really wish though the focus would be on getting more guests to the park rather than milking the guests you already have. CF is not milking guests anymore than any other entertainment venue in America. Check out the prices for NFL, NBA, MLB, Broadway shows, Ringling Bros. Circus, or Disney on Ice. Not only will the ticket prices floor you, the food and snacks will send you bank account into the red. (i.e. Disney on Ice: Stitch souvenier snow cone container= $10, souvenier Lilo spoon to use= $2; Parking at football game= $20, ticket= $175, 20oz. draft= 6.75, regular hot dog= $3.50, special burger= $12) Now when it comes down to HH, what is the lesser of two evils, having no upcharge and packing the guests in so that they cannot enjoy the event to it's fullest potential, which pi$$es them off to an extreme to the point that may not come back. -or- Upcharge the event so that the crowd is more managable and everyone can enjoy all the events in a single evening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 And I'll say the dirty secret: ..."Upcharge the event so that the crowd is more managable and everyone can enjoy all the events in a single evening..." while not having to put up with great hords of season passholders who come every single night and do every attraction multiple times while spending either nothing or next to nothing in the park. In the olden days, before season passes, all lines all season were much shorter, food quality and the entertainment experience were far superior. The parks were truly special places. Special experiences. Not places inhabited by large groups of people who paid next to nothing for the experience on any given day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AintNutinElse2Do Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 ^^I see what your saying I do and really a lot of prices have gotten out of hand many places in my opinion. What I was really trying to say though is it better to have 100 guests paying $5 or 50 guests paying $10 but then just think what happens if you change it to 100 at $7.50? I was more pointing out the strategy more so than the actual even in question. I personally don't like the upcharge but it's doubtful that it will personally affect me as I'm generally a one or two day ticket guy when I get the chance to make it up there. I do think there's a definite middle ground that they could take on the Halloween Haunt approach. Just a thought, but what if they allowed one Haunt admission per season pass and perhaps limiting it to the first 2-3 weekends of the Haunt. I just don't think that they can continue to offset decreases in attendances by raising across the board, I just feel the bigger problem lies in attendance. (speaking entire season not just HH) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browntggrr Posted December 21, 2007 Share Posted December 21, 2007 ^ You need to look at the big picture. It doesn't make a difference if you have 100 guests paying $5 or 50 guests paying $10 but then just think what happens if you change it to 100 at $7.50. If the guest is upset enough about a bad time due to the park being overcrowded, they will never come back no matter what the cost is. Years ago Paramount had an upcharge for FF, and then did away with it. Everyone was happy. Then when FF came without the upcharge the park was crushed and guests were upset they could not enjoy all the FF activities. Even look at some of the past topics here and you can see the negative reaction from those who did not want to deal with the massive crowds. Many even said that they would be willing to pay for an upcharge. Now CF is going to have some kind of upcharge for that very reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastersRZ Posted December 21, 2007 Share Posted December 21, 2007 Well, having gone to Fear Fest in 2001 and 2002 when it was an upcharge, I have some insights to offer. The crowds were extremely light, especially on nights when the weather was colder. I have a hard time imagining that the park would make more money if they charged admission for it, simply because guests would likely spend less once inside the gates. Additionally, unless significant changes are made to Halloween Haunt in 2008 to differentiate it from the Haunt in 2007, they will likely have a hard sell to the general public about it being an upcharge event, regardless of what they charge to get in. Fear Fest/ Halloween Haunt have been free with park admission for five seasons, so it will be a difficult sell to say "What was included with general admission and your season pass for the last five seasons will now cost you an extra $20 per person per visit. Have a nice time." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browntggrr Posted December 21, 2007 Share Posted December 21, 2007 $20? When were the details of admission to HH released? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastersRZ Posted December 21, 2007 Share Posted December 21, 2007 They weren`t released. That figure was about how much they were charging when Fear Fest was a separate gate back in 2000, 2001, and 2002. Pass holders could get in for $18 or $19. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browntggrr Posted December 21, 2007 Share Posted December 21, 2007 So $20 is not the official pricing. That's good to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollerNut Posted December 21, 2007 Share Posted December 21, 2007 On the topic of Carowinds SCarowinds being better than KI FF, Haha, I doubt it. SCarowinds in the past years has been bad about being slack. However, attendance for the event grows every year. I went to SCarowinds in 2001, 2003, 2004, and 2005. 2001 was by far the best year. 2003-2004, lots of rides were closed where as in 2001, the Log Flume, Dodgems, Scrambler, Frenzoid were operating. Drop Zone/Hurler didn't open at Carowinds until 2002. Scream Weaver opened in 2005. Goldrusher and Cyclone opened in 2003. Now the only ride not operating during SCarowinds is Nick Central(minus Reptar, Airtime!, and Log Flume), Saturator, Skytower, and Whitewater. Pretty much your family rides, water rides, and kiddy rides. Rides open at SCarowinds in 2006: All coasters minus Satie, OddCoaster, and Taxi Chase All Thrill Rides minus Dutchman's Revenege Dodgems and Scooby-Doo Log Flume or 50% of the park's rides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoddaH1994 Posted December 21, 2007 Share Posted December 21, 2007 I think you'll find the price for HH for passholders to be pretty fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted December 21, 2007 Share Posted December 21, 2007 I think you'll find the price for HH for passholders to be pretty fair. With all due respect, you'd say that no matter what it was, as most of us are well aware. That being said, I hope and trust that those who learned a lesson from Winterfest pricing are both still around and listened to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoddaH1994 Posted December 21, 2007 Share Posted December 21, 2007 Nah, it's going to be really different from Winterfest. Winterfest was doomed from day 1. We can assert that no one went because of the pricing, however the event cost so much to put on that they needed the revenue. It simply wasn't viable to charge $10 per head. Unfortunately, the great experiment was a failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Bombay Posted December 21, 2007 Share Posted December 21, 2007 I think you'll find the price for HH for passholders to be pretty fair. With all due respect, you'd say that no matter what it was, as most of us are well aware. That being said, I hope and trust that those who learned a lesson from Winterfest pricing are both still around and listened to. Well considering nothing has been 100 percent confirmed or officially announced with KI's operating schedule, pricing for HH or if passholders will even need to know about pricing for HH, I'm not willing to rule out any possibilities yet until the park releases an official word. Nah, it's going to be really different from Winterfest. Winterfest was doomed from day 1. We can assert that no one went because of the pricing, however the event cost so much to put on that they needed the revenue. It simply wasn't viable to charge $10 per head. Unfortunately, the great experiment was a failure. If it was doomed from day one and the great experiment failed so bad, then why did CBS (Paramount) plan to bring it back for the 2006 season? Cedar Fair were the ones who cancelled it after their acquisition was completed, CBS was advertising it and even selling pre sale tickets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastersRZ Posted December 21, 2007 Share Posted December 21, 2007 The large reason, in my opinion, that WinterFest failed, is that the park tried to recover a bulk of its capital investment the first year through the pricing. Had they priced it cheaper, to be more in line with the competition would likely have drawn more guests. And had they made a decent profit over several seasons, they could have paid off the capital that was required for all the decorations. Back in the mid 80`s, WinterFest was extremely popular, even drawing more than 337,000 guests for the 1984 run of WinterFest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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