shark6495 Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 If Son of Beast is going to open without any changes the public can notice I doubt we will see any advertising for it. I would disagree with you on this one.... if it is to reopen it will be its 10th year of operation... so SOB ten years of records? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast1979 Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 And pain? And lawsuits? And downtime? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 If Son of Beast is going to open without any changes the public can notice I doubt we will see any advertising for it. I would disagree with you on this one.... if it is to reopen it will be its 10th year of operation... so SOB ten years of records? Incorrect. Should Son of Beast open, it will be its 11th year of operation (or more correctly, its 11th year of operating at least part of each): 2000 1 2001 2 2002 3 2003 4 2004 5 2005 6 2006 7 2007 8 2008 9 2009 10 2010 11 This is a VERY common error. The tenth anniversary would be the 11th year of operation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofBeast07 Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 for how much money they would put into fixing sob they would have to advertise. an x2 sort of deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shark6495 Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 If Son of Beast is going to open without any changes the public can notice I doubt we will see any advertising for it. I would disagree with you on this one.... if it is to reopen it will be its 10th year of operation... so SOB ten years of records? Incorrect. Should Son of Beast open, it will be its 11th year of operation (or more correctly, its 11th year of operating at least part of each): 2000 1 2001 2 2002 3 2003 4 2004 5 2005 6 2006 7 2007 8 2008 9 2009 10 2010 11 This is a VERY common error. The tenth anniversary would be the 11th year of operation. Terpy you sound like my grandfather.... "today is your 15th birthday" but grandpa I am only 14 "you were born on your first birthday wernt you?" and you are right it is in its 11th year... so never mind no fan fare... lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thekidd33 Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 I guess my next question would be if you are CF/KI and if (and I certainly realize that this is quite a large 'if') you decide to reopen SoB is it forever "the painful ride that hurt those people"? Do you try to enhance its public image or do you just hope it fades over time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bc9755 Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 If Son of Beast is going to be SBNO for 2010, I honestly wonder if they'd officially announce that at all. With CF's investments in Planet Snoopy at multiple parks and the money they're dropping at CP, KD and Carowinds for 2010, I kinda doubt they'd just demolish SoB. We all know it ain't gonna be cheap. We also know it's not gonna be cheap to do whatever they have to do to SoB to get it "right" to open up in the Spring. They could probably leave it as is since it's been cleared to operate by the state, but I don't think CF would just open it up as is. Maybe they will ... maybe not. I really don't think so though. If CF is "not satisfied with the ride experience," we know it's either gonna have to be modified in some way or just gotten rid of. Either option's gonna cost some serious money, and I don't see that money being thrown at it this year. SBNO seems to be the most likely situation ... but we could all be surprised! And yeah, SoB's image is definitely a problem. That's why I think it'll probably be SBNO this year and either extensively modified or just quietly (if that's possible) torn down for 2011. I honestly don't think anything major's gonna happen for this upcoming season. I could be wrong, but speculation is fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browntggrr Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 We also know it's not gonna be cheap to do whatever they have to do to SoB to get it "right" to open up in the Spring. They could probably leave it as is since it's been cleared to operate by the state, but I don't think CF would just open it up as is. Maybe they will ... maybe not. I really don't think so though. If CF is "not satisfied with the ride experience," we know it's either gonna have to be modified in some way or just gotten rid of. Either option's gonna cost some serious money, and I don't see that money being thrown at it this year. SBNO seems to be the most likely situation ... but we could all be surprised! I would think that all the ideas have already been exhausted in improving SoB after the support incident. I find it hard to imagine that engineers thought like this: "Well here are our suggestions to fix SoB. If this doesn't work, here are some other ideas." The ride was down too long, and too much money was spent not to get it right the first third time (or is it fourth time?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahank Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 Yes, but would it be worth it? The destruction costs would cost much more than a shiny penny, remember. You have to take into consideration that re-doing the ride may be cheaper than actually taking the ride down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browntggrr Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 ^ So it would be cheaper to put more money into *improving* the ride that has already been *improved* numerous times, than to throw in the towel and proclaim SoB is a lemon by taering it down? One decision spends more money with a low percentage of success, the other spends money with guaranteed results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahank Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 I guess what Cedar Fair is facing is whether to take that risk or not. They have before, I wouldn't be surprised to see it happen again. You know what they say, third (or fourth) time's a charm! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shark6495 Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 the SOB thing reminds me of an older car. A car that is showing some rust, heater doesnt work, emergency brake is stuck, and you dont care too much for the car but it gets you from point a to point b.... then the engine goes out... do you spend 5-6 grand on a new engine (but still have the previous issues) or do you just trade it in and get a new car with no new problems.... it all depends on the other issues of the car and how much you enjoy it... so they have to way their options.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 To take your analogy further, you really cannot afford a new car as you have already bought your other family members new cars, it hasn't been very long at all since you bought a new car for this particular car park, and if you put an engine in the old car it may not last very long and may even have some kind of catastrophic failure that could result in major liability and there are those who claim the body of the old car is totally unsafe and must be replaced but it did pass the state inspection (but the gentlemen in charge of state inspections had testified in a deposition that the car was unsafe and attempts to fix it had not been systematic but on an ad hoc basis), some of your friends count how many cars you have and you do have a lot of other cars in the same car park, but if you don't replace the engine in the old car some (but not many) of your customers are going to notice you now have one fewer cars. Finally, it costs quite a bit to junk the old car, and you are not certain you can afford the junking fee, but you also can't afford to have it sitting in plain sight in your car park. What to do, what to do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast1979 Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 Build a giant wall around it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyMan98 Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 I hate those asterisks...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 Certain exclusions may apply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTCO Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 With the money it took to build the wall, they could have probably build a flat or maybe even take the thing down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gigacoaster2k Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 I'm a firm believer in the fact that some coasters don't have to have a large footprint to be the best. SoB and Mean Streak are both significantly tall wooden coasters with a large footprint. They both also put me in quite a bit of pain. I understand that SoB's height was built to break a record, but I have a hard time believing that they took guest comfort into consideration when it was built. I understand that there are some who enjoy it, but from what I gather, there is a significantly larger percentage of people who don't enjoy it, including those who have been injured on it. Look at GCI for a perfect example of why wooden coasters don't need to be record breakers to be the best. Evel Knievel at Six Flags STL is a perfect example of this. It has a height of only 88 feet and a compact layout, yet it was one of the most mind blowing wooden coasters I've been on. With that said, I will say as nicely as I can that I've come to realize that my daily life will go on no matter what SoB's fate ends up being. Leave the creativity and ingenuity to GCI and TGG, and stop trying to build ridiculously prominent wooden coasters with little to no foresight as to how well it will ride. Some may be offended by and/or disagree with what I've said, but that's how I feel about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 This from the same person who adores the admittedly record breaking ride called Millennium Force. I agree that often times the bestest coasters are mid-size or even smaller, but sometimes big can also be good. Too often, it seems, other factors are sacrificed in the name of budget when big is the driving factor. See also Texas Giant, Hercules and, to some extent, even Top Thrill Dragster and Kingda Ka. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gigacoaster2k Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 This from the same person who adores the admittedly record breaking ride called Millennium Force. I agree that often times the bestest coasters are mid-size or even smaller, but sometimes big can also be good. Too often, it seems, other factors are sacrificed in the name of budget when big is the driving factor. See also Texas Giant, Hercules and, to some extent, even Top Thrill Dragster and Kingda Ka. Steel coasters fall into a completely different category.. I do not mix wood and steel in my top 10, nor do I mix them in comparisons to each other. Apples and oranges, my friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 Only because you have not ridden El Toro. Yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziplock Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 Anybody notice that the " This attraction is closed for the remainder of the 2009 season" is gone, for Son of Beast on the attractions page? http://www.visitkingsisland.com/attraction...ry.cfm?ac_id=18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyMan98 Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 Yes because 2009 is over. Why would they still have that posted? It would do no use for any website visitors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziplock Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 It HAS been on there until I just visited the website today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hausty1983 Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 I wonder what the court thought when SOB was cleared to be open again by the state or if the court knew about it being cleared safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 I can assure you that Cedar Fair had attorneys whose job it was to present all evidence favorable to their client. The jury in the first case to go to trial found in favor of the plaintiff, and the parties settled out of court prior to the jury being able to rule on the punitive damages issue. Know also that the state inspector involved in the proceeding testified in a deposition that was later made public, reportedly as part of the settlement, that, among other things, there was no systematic effort to repair Son of Beast, in his opinion, but rather a series of ad hoc efforts, and that Son of Beast was possibly constructed of "inferior wood." Also note that long after this so-called clearance to re-open was issued by the state agency in charge of regulating and inspecting amusement rides, the ride remained closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hausty1983 Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 Oh ok thankyou terpy,I just was curious what was being said in court over the case of it being cleared safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziplock Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 Do you think that there is going to be an announcement if it opens next year? All they said is that it was closed for the remainder of the 2009 season and now that s gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyMan98 Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 I know you're new, but please read the last 128 pages of this thread. It explains EVERYTHING.^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziplock Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 Oh I have. This is just the first time the site hasn't said anything about it since it has closed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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