Jasper Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 The only other restrainsts that I find as minimalst and thrilling as those on B&M hypers are what S&S has used on their Screaming Swings and rides like Powder Keg. Very minimalst, yet secure. You are right. First time I had ever rode Skyhawk I was freaking out because of how little there is to keep you held in. Rest assured there is no way of getting out of those though. I wish Kings Island would get a screaming swing, the rides pack quite a punch for how small they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel09 Posted August 3, 2009 Author Share Posted August 3, 2009 Ask Mr. Helbig how hard it is to get out the locked restraints! How long was he stuck when he just wanted to try out the seat when the trains got there during construction? It isn't the locked restraint that I'm worried about falling out of. What I worry about is falling out of the seat when that locked lapbar fails and becomes unlocked mid-ride! That's when you'll wish you did have a safety belt securing the lapbar to the seat. This is a hypothetical situation of course. Not having that lapbar safety belt is a psychological barrier that some people are more susceptible to than others, myself included. It's a primal instinct, a subconscious fear for one's life. I know that lapbar is locked in place, but some fundamental reflex in my brain still would like to see something locking the lapbar down. As the saying goes... seeing is believing. I can't explain it other than that. But statistically, I'm confident the lapbar is safely locked in place. And as someone else pointed out, a safety belt attachment would surely eat into ride capacity. yeah, it is psychological . some times i think the forces involved would simply snap the belt into if their was a failure, lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamondback FOF Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 Ask Mr. Helbig how hard it is to get out the locked restraints! How long was he stuck when he just wanted to try out the seat when the trains got there during construction? ...As the saying goes... seeing is believing... I think you mean believing is seeing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whales_Rock Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 This is why I haven't riden Diamondback yet- Too afraid of the seat restraints. They scare the living crap out of me too XD. I dont see haow putting a wad of plastic in between your legs helps you not flip forward. It especially frigthens me since I'm real short and tiny. I also am real afraid that the thing is going to unlock. I'd also prefer some SIDES on the trains. Plus I'd also feel more safe if there was a belt. And another fact that scares me is how "free" you are. That just scares me even more, plus the first drop "Leaning your face into the seat" would literally give me a heart attack. Or I'd just black out. When I just LOOKED at it the lat time I went I nearly had a heart attack my heart was beating so fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ki Man Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 Ask Mr. Helbig how hard it is to get out the locked restraints! How long was he stuck when he just wanted to try out the seat when the trains got there during construction? I've tried getting out of the test seat when it was at one or two clicks...couldn't do it without reversing my knees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terps252006 Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 First of all, nobody knows the odds of it failing, because it hasn't failed yet. The restraints don't really bother me while riding at all. But when I think about it, I wish there were safety belts. Why not? The main concern when building roller coasters and rides is and should always be safety. Nobody ever entertains the idea of the system failing, until it actually does fail.....And when the systems fail, I would hope that there is a backup plan (Seatbelts). So I guess my gripe is that Diamondback offers no backup plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIfan73 Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 This is a patent for a restraint system, with B & M being the "assignee"...not sure if it's Diamondback's, or if it's even in use. Interesting read, especially for those that think they may want to design rollercoasters someday... http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/7204559/claims.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamondback FOF Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 It is not Diamondback's restraints. There is a picture in the upper right hand corner of the page that shows the restraints and it's not Dimoandback's. I'm not sure if it is currently used on anything. Edit: I think it looks kinda like the restraints on B&M's flying coasters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fear the Four Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 This is why I haven't riden Diamondback yet- Too afraid of the seat restraints. They scare the living crap out of me too XD. I dont see haow putting a wad of plastic in between your legs helps you not flip forward. It especially frigthens me since I'm real short and tiny. I also am real afraid that the thing is going to unlock. I'd also prefer some SIDES on the trains. Plus I'd also feel more safe if there was a belt. And another fact that scares me is how "free" you are. That just scares me even more, plus the first drop "Leaning your face into the seat" would literally give me a heart attack. Or I'd just black out. When I just LOOKED at it the lat time I went I nearly had a heart attack my heart was beating so fast. There is nothing to worry about they are very safe. I think the restraints lock twice so it's ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 When Nitro opened, there was a small steel cable that connected the rear edge of the restraint on one side to the chair. It was soon removed, as it was deemed not necessary to the ride's operation and some guests were injuring their fingers by putting them under the cable...not a good place for them when the train and its occupants experienced sudden and unexpected airtime, with all too predictable results. Diamondback's restraints have several fail-safe mechanisms. Were it not so, the ride would not be licensed to operate, nor would Cedar Fair or any other prudent operator operate it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HandsUp Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 I dont see haow putting a wad of plastic in between your legs helps you not flip forward. Because the seat is shaped so your butt is lower than your knees. Once the restraint is in place, there is no way you can squirm out of it due to the angle...although it feels like your hardly secure. Try it-you'll like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyMan98 Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 I'm scared of it because I'm incredibly skinny. I've only ridden Diamondback once (I know, that's weird), and that one time I could've sworn I would've fallen out of my seat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyMan98 Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 This is why I haven't riden Diamondback yet- Too afraid of the seat restraints. They scare the living crap out of me too XD. I dont see haow putting a wad of plastic in between your legs helps you not flip forward. It especially frigthens me since I'm real short and tiny. I also am real afraid that the thing is going to unlock. I'd also prefer some SIDES on the trains. Plus I'd also feel more safe if there was a belt. And another fact that scares me is how "free" you are. That just scares me even more, plus the first drop "Leaning your face into the seat" would literally give me a heart attack. Or I'd just black out. When I just LOOKED at it the lat time I went I nearly had a heart attack my heart was beating so fast. That's my problem too. I'm short and skinny. And there's too much airtime, although it is fun. I've only ridden it once, and it was pure fun, but it scared me to death about the restraints. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jondrewfoo Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 take this as fact. no one has fallen out of Diamondbacks seat. people of all shapes and sizes have ridden it this year. what makes you think that you will be that one person who somehow managed to fall out of the ride? simply put, it wont happen... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyMan98 Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 because I'm that way. i freak about everything. i hate planes, i hate boats, (i don't hate roller coasters), i hate germs, i hate windows, i hate buildings, i hate elevators, i hate thunderstorms, i hate the letter p. DON'T MAKE FUN OF ME no, seriously, i just think of the impossible as to me falling out of Diamondback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whales_Rock Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 It still freaks me out though. I always think before a ride I'm scared of: "I'm not going to die so what am I afraid of?" I forgot about heart attacks 0_0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dakota2112 Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 I don't think anyone in here is questioning the safety reputation of the B&M restraint. Some people (again myself included) would just feel more at ease if there was a visible safety backup mechanism such as a belt (think Delirium or Drop Tower) to hold the restraint in place in the event of a locking mechanism failure. It doesn't matter how safe or reliable the B&M restraint is - without the reassurance of a visible safety backup, we (or at least I) do not feel 100% safe. The first ride on DB was the worst. Being so exposed like that makes the lack of a safety belt that much worse. But after a few rides, I've gotten used to it and it isn't a big deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoasterFreak45 Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 I didn't pay attention to the restraints until I started reading about it on here. It doesn't bother me, the chance is so low, and if by chance it does fail and I go flying at least it's a interesting way to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcc Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 ^ My thoughts exactly. I've always told my friends and family that if something tragic were to occur while I'm riding, at least I died doing what I love...and instead of a dash between the years of my life, put a ^ , to signify a coaster drop. I'm weird like that though.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel09 Posted August 4, 2009 Author Share Posted August 4, 2009 I didn't pay attention to the restraints until I started reading about it on here. It doesn't bother me, the chance is so low, and if by chance it does fail and I go flying at least it's a interesting way to go. Best Death Ever. Maybe i sshould start a topic called "which ride would be the best to die on?" LOL The Beast!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XGatorHead 8904 Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 All this talk about seatbelts... argh... don't give them any ideas! I know I'm not the only one on here nostalgic for the days of buzzbars and no seat dividers on Racer and Beast! So I have no problem with the openness of DB and its restraints. I love it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whales_Rock Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 I don't think anyone in here is questioning the safety reputation of the B&M restraint. Some people (again myself included) would just feel more at ease if there was a visible safety backup mechanism such as a belt (think Delirium or Drop Tower) to hold the restraint in place in the event of a locking mechanism failure. It doesn't matter how safe or reliable the B&M restraint is - without the reassurance of a visible safety backup, we (or at least I) do not feel 100% safe. The first ride on DB was the worst. Being so exposed like that makes the lack of a safety belt that much worse. But after a few rides, I've gotten used to it and it isn't a big deal. SAME HERE EXACTLY. Saying the first ride was worst makes me even more afraid to go on now. I need a belt and then I'd go on. I need something visual to tell me that I'm safe and looking at those seat restraints certainly don't make me feel better... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jondrewfoo Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 some people werent meant to ride certain rides. it looks like you wont be riding Diamondback again, which is fine. i wont be riding Delirium anytime soon, either. i just cant take it. that being said, if they put seatbelts on Diamondback which is highly unlikely, i among others will be very ticked as it will make capacity go down the tubes. B and M or any other company doesnt design restraints to look safe, but rather to actually be safe. If that doesnt require seatbelts, im really glad! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dakota2112 Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 I don't think anyone in here is questioning the safety reputation of the B&M restraint. Some people (again myself included) would just feel more at ease if there was a visible safety backup mechanism such as a belt (think Delirium or Drop Tower) to hold the restraint in place in the event of a locking mechanism failure. It doesn't matter how safe or reliable the B&M restraint is - without the reassurance of a visible safety backup, we (or at least I) do not feel 100% safe. The first ride on DB was the worst. Being so exposed like that makes the lack of a safety belt that much worse. But after a few rides, I've gotten used to it and it isn't a big deal. SAME HERE EXACTLY. Saying the first ride was worst makes me even more afraid to go on now. I need a belt and then I'd go on. I need something visual to tell me that I'm safe and looking at those seat restraints certainly don't make me feel better... Well rest assured I know exactly what you mean, so take it from someone who's been in your shoes: ride it, you'll be fine! Try to get an odd-numbered seat, you feel a little less exposed that way. And if it helps any... I suspect that if the clamshell restraint were to unlock mid-ride, you'd still be ok. Ride with your feet crossed over the restraint, and hold on to the handles. You might float up, but the restraint only has one degree of freedom so it'll locate you back into your seat after the negative G's are over (not sure if that helps or not! ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel09 Posted August 5, 2009 Author Share Posted August 5, 2009 some people werent meant to ride certain rides. it looks like you wont be riding Diamondback again, which is fine. i wont be riding Delirium anytime soon, either. i just cant take it. that being said, if they put seatbelts on Diamondback which is highly unlikely, i among others will be very ticked as it will make capacity go down the tubes. B and M or any other company doesnt design restraints to look safe, but rather to actually be safe. If that doesnt require seatbelts, im really glad! lol oh, i'll ride again, i loved it anyway now Vortex, i think i've lost my ability to stomach it. or maybe i need more sleep. and less stress i hope thats what is. it's so saddening, LOL i was there on a friday july 31st and as soon as we got off i had to go throw up in the bathroom. ...sigh..lol wth im only 19 years old going on 20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtl2013 Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 I didn't pay attention to the restraints until I started reading about it on here. It doesn't bother me, the chance is so low, and if by chance it does fail and I go flying at least it's a interesting way to go. ^ My thoughts exactly. I've always told my friends and family that if something tragic were to occur while I'm riding, at least I died doing what I love...and instead of a dash between the years of my life, put a ^ , to signify a coaster drop. I'm weird like that though.... I didn't pay attention to the restraints until I started reading about it on here. It doesn't bother me, the chance is so low, and if by chance it does fail and I go flying at least it's a interesting way to go. Best Death Ever. Maybe i sshould start a topic called "which ride would be the best to die on?" LOL The Beast!!!! I totally agree with all of you! If i die, i wanna go doing something i love, like riding a coaster. If im gonna go, thats how i want it to be, haha :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIfan1980 Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 All this talk about seatbelts... argh... don't give them any ideas! I know I'm not the only one on here nostalgic for the days of buzzbars and no seat dividers on Racer and Beast! So I have no problem with the openness of DB and its restraints. I love it! You are not the only one. I don't think anyone in here is questioning the safety reputation of the B&M restraint. Some people (again myself included) would just feel more at ease if there was a visible safety backup mechanism such as a belt (think Delirium or Drop Tower) to hold the restraint in place in the event of a locking mechanism failure. It doesn't matter how safe or reliable the B&M restraint is - without the reassurance of a visible safety backup, we (or at least I) do not feel 100% safe. The first ride on DB was the worst. Being so exposed like that makes the lack of a safety belt that much worse. But after a few rides, I've gotten used to it and it isn't a big deal. SAME HERE EXACTLY. Saying the first ride was worst makes me even more afraid to go on now. I need a belt and then I'd go on. I need something visual to tell me that I'm safe and looking at those seat restraints certainly don't make me feel better... Here is a nice "visual" to tell you that you are safe. While waiting the average 30-45 minutes in line, count how many people go up the lift hill on a train but don't come back through the splashdown on the same train. Then think about the ~40,000 trains have done that on Diamondback this year already. Climb in and ride! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTCO Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 I wouldn't want to die on a roller coaster. Even though I love them. What would happened if you had a near death experience and lived? I more and likely, could never ride one again. I'll stick to dieing in a bed next to my wife. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HandsUp Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 I imagine that this is also why people of 'unusual shape' (not necessarily bigger people) cannot ride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whales_Rock Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 Well yes, I know it is real real safe, but the thing that bothers me as I said, is people always saying, "Oh my gosh, I almost fell out of my seat!" That scares the CRAP out of me. It does look like a ton of fun and I want to ride it but I'm afraid I'm going to have a panic attack like I did on The Beast the first time I rode it. I get HUGE nose bleeds when I have panic attacks. If I had a panic attack on The Beast it will most likely be worse on DB. XD I actually nearly had a panic attack looking at. But then again I'm in love with The Beast now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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