locostitch Posted August 1, 2013 Posted August 1, 2013 plus there will not be many more inverts being built. Do you mean in general, or right now? Designers build what the parks want. If a park calls B&M up and says, "We want this, this, and this, in an inverted coaster and only have X amount of room, can you do it?" B&M's response would likely be, "Our Batman model fits that description." If a park calls B&M and asks for a stand up, they will build it. I think he means in general because it is obvious that Kings Island is spending a lot of money to make this unreachable to break any of the records and he followed it up by saying also tgat many patks won't build one anymore
calakapepe Posted August 1, 2013 Posted August 1, 2013 people posted the blue print with patrick michael as the source??? Never trust a man with 2 first names. Hey! I take offense to that! (jokingly) Having four total names. Two ACTUAL first names.. and a last name that also passes as a first name. (depending on whatever skewed definition you use for having two first names, I got it) -- And everyone, if that element is what we all seem to think it is, it does have a name: Norwegian Loop/ Pretzel Knot (look them up on RCDB) 1
kirbias1 Posted August 1, 2013 Posted August 1, 2013 OK we've guessed the height, speed, length, and figured out the elements and inversions... What do you think this will cost with the dismantling of SOB and everything? Alpengeist was 20 million and that was 16 years ago. The price of steel has gone up.
locostitch Posted August 1, 2013 Posted August 1, 2013 OK we've guessed the height, speed, length, and figured out the elements and inversions... What do you think this will cost with the dismantling of SOB and everything? Right around 30-40 mil with dismantling of sob
Gravyboat Posted August 1, 2013 Posted August 1, 2013 OK we've guessed the height, speed, length, and figured out the elements and inversions... What do you think this will cost with the dismantling of SOB and everything? +30MM
kirbias1 Posted August 1, 2013 Posted August 1, 2013 OK we've guessed the height, speed, length, and figured out the elements and inversions... What do you think this will cost with the dismantling of SOB and everything? Right around 30-40 mil with dismantling of sob Yeah, if i had to guess, i would say no more than 30.
DropZone99 Posted August 1, 2013 Posted August 1, 2013 Based on the layout shown in the blueprints, I compared the length of 2014's lift hill to Son of Beast's lift hill (the footings are still shown in the blueprints.) Son of Beast's lift hill was just a tad bit longer than 2014's, but that doesn't mean 2014 won't be as tall as SOB. Based on recent B&M coasters, the lift can be between 40-45º where as SOB's lift hill was nowhere near that steep (I would guess 30º.) My best guess is that it will be the tallest invert at around 200-220'. Pure speculation though. 2
Oldschool75 Posted August 1, 2013 Posted August 1, 2013 You are dreaming, B&M would not jump their tallest invert from 190' something up to the 250' range. Maybe 200'. Well Diamondback is only 230ft, not much higher that 190
calakapepe Posted August 1, 2013 Posted August 1, 2013 30million at the MOST. I imagine it's close to 20-25 mil judging by Alpengeist.And judging by the angle of entry, it would make more sense that that first inversion is a dive loop rather than an immelman. 1
locostitch Posted August 1, 2013 Posted August 1, 2013 You are dreaming, B&M would not jump their tallest invert from 190' something up to the 250' range. Maybe 200'.Well Diamondback is only 230ft, not much higher that 190 Guys you got to ubderstand though is Kings Island is making up for sob on this coaster. So they are taking a RELIABLE coaster manufacture and one of there most popular products and pushing the engineering to the limits. Why would they only beat the tallest by 5ft. Say your just normal general public would you rather have a 200 ft coaster or 230-250 ft coaster. They are trying to make this the next big thing by smashing the records notsqueking by the records 1
locostitch Posted August 1, 2013 Posted August 1, 2013 You are dreaming, B&M would not jump their tallest invert from 190' something up to the 250' range. Maybe 200'.Well Diamondback is only 230ft, not much higher that 190 Guys you got to ubderstand though is Kings Island is making up for sob on this coaster. So they are taking a RELIABLE coaster manufacture and one of there most popular products and pushing the engineering to the limits. Why would they only beat the tallest by 5ft. Say your just normal general public would you rather have a 200 ft coaster or 230-250 ft coaster. They are trying to make this the next big thing by smashing the records notsqueking by the recordsh
YoungStud Posted August 1, 2013 Posted August 1, 2013 i understand that, I just mean I don't see b&m jumping the height so much. This is b&m not Intamin. 1
locostitch Posted August 1, 2013 Posted August 1, 2013 i understand that, I just mean I don't see b&m jumping the height so much. This is b&m not Intamin. But think about it if I am correct there tallest hyper is like 250 ft but were In advancing times alpentalegist was built almost 20 years ago. B&m finally jumped into the giga market. No one saw a b&m giga. If they dont start taking risks eventually they will become the next arrow.Why not make a big splash and go big or go home.
silver2005 Posted August 1, 2013 Posted August 1, 2013 B&M's biggest coaster before Leviathan was Europa Park's Silver Star at 239 ft, and to go for 300+ after that, well, that's a pretty large jump if you ask me.
gingerkid Posted August 1, 2013 Posted August 1, 2013 THIS IS NOT MY PICTURE I AM ONLY RE-POSTING FROM WHAT WAS SUPPLIED ONLINE WHAT IS THIS? (Circled)
chickenbowl Posted August 1, 2013 Posted August 1, 2013 chicken head was pretty accurate IMO. drop immelman loop zero g batwing loop zero g maybe a corkscrew. Yeah something like that. I'm hoping for some weird f-ed up, original elements like this one instead of standard B&M elements.
chickenbowl Posted August 1, 2013 Posted August 1, 2013 THIS IS NOT MY PICTURE I AM ONLY RE-POSTING FROM WHAT WAS SUPPLIED ONLINE WHAT IS THIS? (Circled) Some type of funky messed up batwing element hopefully. It looks to be 2 inversions! Sorry about double
ahank Posted August 1, 2013 Posted August 1, 2013 I'd be willing to be longest inverted coaster drop/fastest inverted coaster considering the terrain after the supposed zero-g. 1
Cdeq Posted August 1, 2013 Posted August 1, 2013 Based on the layout shown in the blueprints, I compared the length of 2014's lift hill to Son of Beast's lift hill (the footings are still shown in the blueprints.) Son of Beast's lift hill was just a tad bit longer than 2014's, but that doesn't mean 2014 won't be as tall as SOB. Based on recent B&M coasters, the lift can be between 40-45º where as SOB's lift hill was nowhere near that steep (I would guess 30º.) My best guess is that it will be the tallest invert at around 200-220'. Pure speculation though. The other thing is the did change Diamondbacks slogan! From fastest and tallest thing to hit Kings Island. To full of Venom and ready to strike! So i am guessing that It will be taller than diamonback
stepheno130 Posted August 1, 2013 Posted August 1, 2013 EDIT: A Norwegian Loop looks to be the most likely, like calakapepe mentioned, especially seeing where the point of track rotation entering the element is in relation to the element itself.
YoungStud Posted August 1, 2013 Posted August 1, 2013 If they build a 200' plus invert, its only right to build a 400' lift hill coaster down the road.
silver2005 Posted August 1, 2013 Posted August 1, 2013 It looks like a dive loop into an Immelman to me.
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