Starting to Decode 2014

[shark6495]

I am calling it.... you're delusional if you don't think this is an Invert.. Not even a debate at this point. Arguing against this proven fact is idiocy.

Did I miss something? Did KI come out and state its an invert? If not then, it is not a proven fact. Step back and cool down for a second my friend...

[FoF96"]

http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc473/deidei08/PicsArt_1375594005838.jpgNot my video just wanting to highlight what i see

Dude, no tunnel. Learn what an immelman is. Cause that's what you're getting!

More speculation: I was actually thinking dive machine the other day after looking at the blue prints. 1. We do not know the height of the ride.2. The turn at the top of the lift could just be a turn, ala SheiKra and Griffon.3. Dive machines use big swooping valleys at the bottom of their first drop. That would account for the distance between the turn and first inversion.4. The loop on the blue print that circles the lift looks a bit wide at the base, possibly to allow for a wide train.5. Depending on how the Maintenance barn is built, 4 dive trains could possibly fit in there. SheiKra for example has 2 maintenance bays that hold 5 trains.6. A dive machine of this size would hold every world record for dive machines to date. Height, length, number of inversions.7. Isn't a multi looping dive machine the logical next step? Considering wing trains are almost as wide as the 8 across dive machine trains. Laterals would be similar. I can not find a Sheikra blue print, but i sure it would look somewhat similar to this new KI blue print. A direct overhead view, without reference to height and such.

Please look at this post real good. http://www.KICentral.com/forums/index.php?/topic/27275-starting-to-decode-2014/?p=540105

I see that. I also see an extra wide base at the bottom of that loop. Raptor and Montu's loop is not that wide. And don't say it is like that because it goes around the lift... I cam calling it.... DIVE MACHINE

I am calling it.... you're delusional if you don't think this is an Invert.. Not even a debate at this point. Arguing against this proven fact is idiocy.

I tried not to reply, but had to... Your post attacking someone AND calling them names is completly unacceptable. I would love to see your engineering degree that says this is without a doubt 100% inverted. This topic is for speculation and everyone should be entitled to their opinion without being called an idiot, which shows how mature you are.

[Diamondbacker27]

First time poster here so be gentle.. It doesn't appear that the blueprints in the video are completely accurate. As an example. one of the triangular footers already poured has bolts for 4 supports but the blueprint only shows 3. In this case it's easy to tell that it's L7R that is missing. Same thing with L3R, a footer in the blueprint shows 2 support but the footer already poured has 3. There's at least one other support after the 2nd loop that only has 1 of 2 (or more) footers on the blueprint. Also, the track layout doesn't make sense at times, especially the final helix. I would expect that the footers would all be inside the helix on an invert but some are inside, some outside.

Nice Work

[Browntggrr]

CP used a similar "World Record" when WT was built:

The only park with 3 coasters over 200'.

With the addition of Wicked Twister, Cedar Point will be the only amusement park in the world to stake claim to having three roller coasters above 200 feet tall: the 205-foot-tall Magnum XL-200 (1989); the 310-foot-tall Millennium Force (2000) and now the 215-foot-tall Wicked Twister. This twisted scream machine will also be the eighth world-record-breaking ride Cedar Point has introduced since debuting the world-renowned Magnum XL-200 roller coaster in 1989. Plus, Wicked Twister will be the eighth roller coaster the park has added during this same time period.

http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com/coasters/new02/cp_wickedtwister/cp_wicked_pr.shtml

Ugh....semantics.

I'm sorry...really...but I don't see the connection. All I see in the article is a reference to how CP would be the only park in the world with 3 coasters over 200'. I suppose, yes, that was a world record for a park, but maybe I'm missing something in what you guys are saying. I mean, at that time, WT was announced to be the world's tallest and fastest twisting impulse coaster....ie. a world record-breaking attraction.

That is not an article, but the press release from CP themselves.

[THE_BEASTmaster]

http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc473/deidei08/Screenshot_2013-08-03-22-05-41.png

I beg to differ where does the track go in this picture after this circle thing. Look in the low bottom right hand corner

That circle thing is part of the contour of the land not part of the ride. If you look closely, you can see the track line goes through/over it.

[Maglados]

http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc473/deidei08/1375583644882.jpg. Am I the only one who sees a tunnel leading into where the old water tower used to be in the blueprint.

I don't care what people think but that would be a pretty cool place for a tunnel. Walking about in AZ and see a coaster roaring out of a tunnel. I sure hope we some terrain hugging elements or just some aesthetically pleasing decoration. LOL

[thedevariouseffect]

It would be cool but according to these blueprints it's not happening

[THE_BEASTmaster]

More speculation:

I was actually thinking dive machine the other day after looking at the blue prints.

1. We do not know the height of the ride.

2. The turn at the top of the lift could just be a turn, ala SheiKra and Griffon.

3. Dive machines use big swooping valleys at the bottom of their first drop. That would account for the distance between the turn and first inversion.

4. The loop on the blue print that circles the lift looks a bit wide at the base, possibly to allow for a wide train.

5. Depending on how the Maintenance barn is built, 4 dive trains could possibly fit in there. SheiKra for example has 2 maintenance bays that hold 5 trains.

6. A dive machine of this size would hold every world record for dive machines to date. Height, length, number of inversions.

7. Isn't a multi looping dive machine the logical next step? Considering wing trains are almost as wide as the 8 across dive machine trains. Laterals would be similar.

I can not find a Sheikra blue print, but i sure it would look somewhat similar to this new KI blue print. A direct overhead view, without reference to height and such.

Please look at this post real good.

http://www.KICentral.com/forums/index.php?/topic/27275-starting-to-decode-2014/?p=540105

I see that.

I also see an extra wide base at the bottom of that loop.

Raptor and Montu's loop is not that wide.

And don't say it is like that because it goes around the lift...

I cam calling it.... DIVE MACHINE

First off that photo of Kumba's supports from the ground can't prove anything, it looks like a mess of steel. You need to look at the satellite images like on here.

It looks as if Kumba's vertical loop support footings are 2 on each side of the track. Floorless, sit-downs, and stand-ups have this layout of footings as well. I think dive coasters will have the same. On inverted coasters the footings for the vertical loop supports are on each side of the track. Look at the blue print again and you can see that the footings are on each side.

Secondly, I was on the dive machine band wagon for a while until more decoding was being done by other members besides me. We ALL do agree on one thing, that Kings Island is getting a B&M roller coaster of some sort, but by the evidence that has been posted by other members, it looks as if it MIGHT be an invert. Who knows, maybe the park will throw everyone off and go with a totally different B&M model that no one expected. But in the end everyone on this board is going to ride it either on opening day or throughout the 2014 season. I don't care what model it is, I'm just happy it's another B&M and with inversions.

[tjpavlik]

Has anyone put out the possibility that the blueprints are a diversion released by the park ? They look authentic to me but B & M or Intamin for that matter could and would produce them (a realistic false set of blueprints) for the park as part of the hype leading up to the announcement. Who is PatrickMichael? Why has the park not said anything in response to the release of the blueprints? (Which look to have been accessed in a non-lawful manner)

Any publicity is good publicity. Cedar Fair may be having fun with us all the while gaining that free publicity ( as high as #4 yahoo trending topics).

[THE_BEASTmaster]

A local news station also had a copy of the blueprints from the city of Mason. Any building blueprints and permits are available to the public I think.

[Coasterkidd23]

Whatever this ride comes out to be, one things for sure.. It's gonna be one heck of a night ride!

[YoungStud]

There may have been tweaks to the blue print, we don't know if that is the finished one. The blue print the news had reported 4 loops and possibly a corkscrew . Thursday we will be able to see the ride simulated and listen for the trims

[Gravyboat]

http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc473/deidei08/PicsArt_1375594005838.jpg

Not my video just wanting to highlight what i see

Dude, no tunnel. Learn what an immelman is. Cause that's what you're getting!

More speculation:

I was actually thinking dive machine the other day after looking at the blue prints.

1. We do not know the height of the ride.

2. The turn at the top of the lift could just be a turn, ala SheiKra and Griffon.

3. Dive machines use big swooping valleys at the bottom of their first drop. That would account for the distance between the turn and first inversion.

4. The loop on the blue print that circles the lift looks a bit wide at the base, possibly to allow for a wide train.

5. Depending on how the Maintenance barn is built, 4 dive trains could possibly fit in there. SheiKra for example has 2 maintenance bays that hold 5 trains.

6. A dive machine of this size would hold every world record for dive machines to date. Height, length, number of inversions.

7. Isn't a multi looping dive machine the logical next step? Considering wing trains are almost as wide as the 8 across dive machine trains. Laterals would be similar.

I can not find a Sheikra blue print, but i sure it would look somewhat similar to this new KI blue print. A direct overhead view, without reference to height and such.

Please look at this post real good.

http://www.KICentral.com/forums/index.php?/topic/27275-starting-to-decode-2014/?p=540105

I see that.

I also see an extra wide base at the bottom of that loop.

Raptor and Montu's loop is not that wide.

And don't say it is like that because it goes around the lift...

I cam calling it.... DIVE MACHINE

I am calling it.... you're delusional if you don't think this is an Invert.. Not even a debate at this point. Arguing against this proven fact is idiocy.

http://www.thecoastercritic.com/2013/08/kings-islands-2014-roller-coaster-blueprints-comb.html

[tjpavlik]

A local news station also had a copy of the blueprints from the city of Mason. Any building blueprints and permits are available to the public I think.

The Enquirer also said it was to be built by the same company that built The Beast. Several people have checked with the city of Mason for records and only came up with a permit to allow concrete footers with the value of $250,000 to be poured.

The day before the announcement blueprints come out? Timing seems to be too good.

And would the city of Mason screw one of their biggest taxpayers ? Or would they play along for a week... HMMM.....

[YoungStud]

The only things people on here are finding is what is online. The news had a blue print they showed the former gm here. They must have went to mason.

[The Interpreter]

A. He wasn't a former GM.

B. The Enquirer said the ride was designed by The Beast's designer.

Confusion abounds.

[YoungStud]

A, whomever he was.

B. News gets nothing straight they are not familiar with. (See a nascar highlight on local news)

Its the news....

[YoungStud]

Why do people get all excited over dive machines?

They are only cool if its like this:

Not cool. These were built before coasters were having such steep drops.

[KI FANATIC 37]

I'm just dying for Thursday to get here. I can't wait for 10:00 PM!

[ThatGuy11]

I'm just dying for Thursday to get here. I can't wait for 10:00 PM!

I know right, I am wearing my Kings Island shirt that day lol.

[Gravyboat]

I agree with the idea that this is an inverted coaster looking at the blueprints....it's obvious.

I do however feel that there will be a wing element to the train. The footer placement in several spots is very wide of the track, and if you look at the connecting lines for the support structure, it gives much more space than necessary for a typical inverted coaster.

Then there are several references in the press hinting at a wing variant. Eg. Wlwt interview, and the CEO interview stated using elements of Gatekeeper in future rides and a recent twitter posting by kingsislandpr.

Ride queue: looks like the ride may be using the old go-kart entrance path, the "holding area" would be located roughly in the center of the coaster flanked by the out and back tracks.

Lastly the plans say "2014 project" which could indicate multiple things taking place. The "leaked" video of the blueprints covers Invertigo.

And a small blue envelope is covering layouts adjacent to "Banshee" the envelope is moved and reoriented across 3 edits. Once for each page shown. The plans are push pinned to a corkboard so I'm assuming this is either in the construction trailer or park office.

I await my beatings.

[sheikra_rocks]

More speculation:

I was actually thinking dive machine the other day after looking at the blue prints.

1. We do not know the height of the ride.

2. The turn at the top of the lift could just be a turn, ala SheiKra and Griffon.

3. Dive machines use big swooping valleys at the bottom of their first drop. That would account for the distance between the turn and first inversion.

4. The loop on the blue print that circles the lift looks a bit wide at the base, possibly to allow for a wide train.

5. Depending on how the Maintenance barn is built, 4 dive trains could possibly fit in there. SheiKra for example has 2 maintenance bays that hold 5 trains.

6. A dive machine of this size would hold every world record for dive machines to date. Height, length, number of inversions.

7. Isn't a multi looping dive machine the logical next step? Considering wing trains are almost as wide as the 8 across dive machine trains. Laterals would be similar.

I can not find a Sheikra blue print, but i sure it would look somewhat similar to this new KI blue print. A direct overhead view, without reference to height and such.

Please look at this post real good.

http://www.KICentral.com/forums/index.php?/topic/27275-starting-to-decode-2014/?p=540105

I see that.

I also see an extra wide base at the bottom of that loop.

Raptor and Montu's loop is not that wide.

And don't say it is like that because it goes around the lift...

I cam calling it.... DIVE MACHINE

First off that photo of Kumba's supports from the ground can't prove anything, it looks like a mess of steel. You need to look at the satellite images like on here.

It looks as if Kumba's vertical loop support footings are 2 on each side of the track. Floorless, sit-downs, and stand-ups have this layout of footings as well. I think dive coasters will have the same. On inverted coasters the footings for the vertical loop supports are on each side of the track. Look at the blue print again and you can see that the footings are on each side.

Secondly, I was on the dive machine band wagon for a while until more decoding was being done by other members besides me. We ALL do agree on one thing, that Kings Island is getting a B&M roller coaster of some sort, but by the evidence that has been posted by other members, it looks as if it MIGHT be an invert. Who knows, maybe the park will throw everyone off and go with a totally different B&M model that no one expected. But in the end everyone on this board is going to ride it either on opening day or throughout the 2014 season. I don't care what model it is, I'm just happy it's another B&M and with inversions.

I was not showing the supports.... I was showing the entrance and exit of the loops.

On the 3 coasters I linked photos to, the TRACK is close together and not further apart as it appears in the blue prints.

I also gave excellent reasons for the possibility of a dive machine. However, that was shot down.

[Shawn Meyer]

I'm looking forward to being there myself. For those of you saying that this roller coaster might have an underground tunnel, where would they do that part of the ride at? Also wouldn't this cause the layout of the ride to take longer to be built? Especially with underground work?

[chickenbowl]

I am calling it.... you're delusional if you don't think this is an Invert.. Not even a debate at this point. Arguing against this proven fact is idiocy.

I tried not to reply, but had to... Your post attacking someone AND calling them names is completly unacceptable. I would love to see your engineering degree that says this is without a doubt 100% inverted. This topic is for speculation and everyone should be entitled to their opinion without being called an idiot, which shows how mature you are.

Umm, okay. You can come see my degree, I have taken classes on analyzing structures, metals, forces, stresses, materials, whatnot. But more importantly than that, the one Engineering thing you may need to know to "prove" it's an invert is to be able to interpret a simple drawing or schematic. Which in this case, is pretty easy. The codes on the drawing exactly match the Invert supports. So on top of seeing a clearly inverted layout, you also see support drawings and codes matching the "theory." Now with literally NO evidence to support this being any other type if design, how could your claim be anything without it being considered a pipe dream. I didn't mean to be attacking, but I tend to curb people from be unrealistically hopeful of something that we already know they won't get. Now maybe it's different cause I don't live out in Ohio, I am no fanboy by any means, I'm just purely interested in coasters. Nothing I said was "calling names" but rather stating fact, albeit in a blunt way. Ban me, I don't know who's a mod or what, so if I see a stupid post, I may call it out.

Anyway, the next week can be cool, I mean, the most interesting part about the plans is analyzing the layout, You can generally tell how high the track is at a certain element by how far the supports reach from it. It's easier to see the supports in the second half of the video where it only shows Banshee and not the rest of the park. That's the type of speculating that isn't counter productive. *coughassumingitsadivemachinecough*

Carry on...

[Kat]

I'm just dying for Thursday to get here. I can't wait for 10:00 PM!

I know right, I am wearing my Kings Island shirt that day lol.

Me too the only one I have is last year's pink snoopy shirt lol I have two Cedar Point shirts though and I have only been there once. Lol

[The Interpreter]

I had many classes in whatnot. Over time, they've proven most useful.

[dwitb]

Nothing new at the park. Four more days guys.

[Kat]

Ok here is my thought.... Someone on here, I think YoungStud (but not positive) said there was a part number on the blueprints for an invert?? I know nothing about these things but if that's true, why would that be on there if the blueprints are fake?

I kind of understand what y'all are getting at, that the real blueprints could be sealed because KI expected as much from the public, that there would be snooping, but if blueprints are supposed to be available for public access, would it even be LEGAL to keep the real blueprints sealed away?!

Maybe that all sounds dumb, but that's just my thought. Again, I know nothing about blueprints or laws regarding them. I guess I will ask my fiancé, he might know more.

[chickenbowl]

I had many classes in whatnot. Over time, they've proven most useful.

Lol, Not my point, Fluid Mechanics won't help prove this is an Invert. But I agree that I have a greatly increased understanding of construction, building, and design.

[The Interpreter]

Things are not as they seem

Skim milk masquerades as cream.