Ride On_17 Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 But imagine how much better that coaster would be...Actually having bearable restraints! It would be amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vortex Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 If its like Superman at Six Flags Fiesta Texas everyone is going to love it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBlade21 Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 I hope this conversion of Mantis to Rougarou is so popular. Cedar Point will tap B&M to change the trains on Magnum too. Like B&M did with Morgan's Steel Dragon 2000. http://vhcoasters.com/?attachment_id=1099 Please no. Mantis was uncomfortable (for me at least) and the popularity seemed to be waning for it while Magnum, on the other hand, (again in my opinion) is very enjoyable and still very much a fan favorite. So I don't think it would be a sound investment to swap out Magnum's trains since it still is very much loved by many. Also, how many guests would notice a new train on Magnum versus a completely different riding experience with the change of Mantis. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stashua123 Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 How is this a "new" rollercoaster? You are just changing the trains and redoing some of the track to specifications for a Floorless Rollercoaster. New Coaster? I think not. New ride experience? Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcgoble3 Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 But is it a new credit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homestar92 Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 But imagine how much better that coaster would be...Actually having bearable restraints! It would be amazing. Don't have to imagine. I've ridden it with bearable restraints. Many, many times. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoeter Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Has it been confirmed that B&M will be using the old restraint system used on other Floorless models or are they going to be using the vest system similar to Banshee? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stashua123 Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 But is it a new credit? I would not count it as a new credit. You could say the same thing about The Beast with 4 row cars and now converted into 3 row cars. Is it a new credit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homestar92 Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 Has it been confirmed that B&M will be using the old restraint system used on other Floorless models or are they going to be using the vest system similar to Banshee? Not in writing, but the rendering showed the old ones, and in every coaster thus far to use the new ones, they've been in the 3D render. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
APE Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 But is it a new credit? I would not count it as a new credit. You could say the same thing about The Beast with 4 row cars and now converted into 3 row cars. Is it a new credit? That's completely different to me. While it may be the same layout you're putting an entirely new train on the track that will change the ride experience. With The Beast the change doesn't really mess with ride experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordSkippy Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Here's how I look at it: no, it's not a new credit. Imagine when The Racer had buzz bars and no headrests. Did the two incarnations offer significantly different ride experiences? Yes. But does it justify a new credit? No. If the physical track that the coaster is riding on is the same or essentially the same, it's not a new credit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shark6495 Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 So like Collosus? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bansheeback Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 I've really never seen Mantis's layout before now. This layout seems strangely odd for B&M. Very windy and such. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk TWISTYYYYYY! Sorry, just couldn't resist the opportunity. OH MY GOD YES! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBEASTunchained Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Here's how I look at it: no, it's not a new credit. Imagine when The Racer had buzz bars and no headrests. Did the two incarnations offer significantly different ride experiences? Yes. But does it justify a new credit? No. If the physical track that the coaster is riding on is the same or essentially the same, it's not a new credit. With The Racer though......The headrests and buzz bars may have changed but you were still sitting down, in essentially the same train. With Rougarou and Mantis, a completely different type of train is being used.......Completely different. Keep that in mind. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
APE Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 I think its a new credit because it turns it into a different style coaster where The Beast and Racer examples didnt change the style of coaster. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkroz Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Replace The Beast's trains with standing ones. Paint it white, tear down the trees, rename it. Same ride? Same credit? Replace The Bat's trains with inverted, non-swinging ones. Paint it green, build a fake mountain around it. Rename it Forest Peak Express. Same ride? Same credit? Replace Mantis's stand up trains with sitting, floorless ones. Re-paint, re-plant, re-name, re-theme. Same ride? Same credit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIBeast Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Yes to Beast standing trains. Yes to Mantis going from standing to floorless. Never heard of non-swinging trains. Of course, never heard of wood coaster standing trains either. One word, "Ouch" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcgoble3 Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Never heard of non-swinging trains. He means standard inverted trains, like Raptor, Banshee, or Invertigo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shark6495 Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 At the end of the day, you count it the way you want to count it. Who cares how you do it? It is an interesting concept. But when does something cease being what it was and becomes something new. Many people will buy a classic car, yank off the id plates, strip the car down to the frame, rebuild the frame, then rebuild the entire car using new or remanufactored pieces, slap the original id badges on the car, and claim it as the same vehicle.... I will say its a different ride because the park states it's a different ride. The experience will be different and that's enough for me. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKIVortex Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 Thank you, everyone has there opinions when it comes to there coaster counts. Who really cares? It's just for fun anyway right? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIBeast Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 Personally, I stopped counting coasters years ago. Since my son Trey came along, it's more about overall park experience and the rides we can do together. There's nothing like enjoying rides together, coaster or not. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcgoble3 Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 Details on the last rides on October 19: https://www.cedarpoint.com/blog-article/online-fun/The-Last-Day-For-Mantis?mobile=0 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoddaH1994 Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 Seems like a pretty fun way of doing things. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuskin Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 Details on the last rides on October 19: https://www.cedarpoint.com/blog-article/online-fun/The-Last-Day-For-Mantis?mobile=0 Great idea for the last rides ever. I like it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
APE Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 I like the idea but not the ride so I will not be taking part. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malem Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Mantis has been squashed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 ...like a bug? Terp, who rode Medusa at Six Flags Great Adventure and Superman: Ride of Steel at Six Flags New England.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTD-120-420 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Good riddance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndyGuy4KI Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 I am digging the new orange color of the retheme! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ride On_17 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Tony just posted a new blog update, as well at the first "Rougarou Files" video. https://www.cedarpoint.com/blog-article/online-fun/The-Rougarou-Files?mobile=0 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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