Decoding Episode II: Rivertown 2017 and the Falling Trees

[DubVLegend]

They've probably had a named picked out before the funnel cake stand bit the dust. 

 

 

I wonder if they already have a name picked out and if so is that something they copy right?

You mean trademark....

 

Trademark thats the one i was looking for.... but yes and is there a way to see what a company trademarks?

[ethancoaster]

http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=searchss&state=4807:8a326z.1.1

Edit: Not a one word post.

[Oldschool75]

http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=searchss&state=4807:8a326z.1.1

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[gforce1994]

Guys, it's definitely an RMC. If you look at the blueprints, the one thing I was looking at was the lateral bracing. In the close up of the blueprints for the area of work, the structure is not like a GCI structure since all the braces are INDEPENDENT structures, except for connections at extremities. These blueprints would indicate crossbeams between lateral braces. The blueprints are now screaming RMC.

[starlitfire]

I'm a new member just hopping in to this discussion, and I'd like to mention that if this is a wooden coaster, then hopefully we won't have Paramount's luck with SoB (the dear coaster barely had a chance IMO).

[Shawn Meyer]

 

Maybe they'll give it an identical layout to El Toro, but made by GCI.

Which "El Toro" are you referring to?

http://rcdb.com/4274.htm

 

The one at Six Flags Great Adventure.

[King Ding Dong]

I'm a new member just hopping in to this discussion, and I'd like to mention that if this is a wooden coaster, then hopefully we won't have Paramount's luck with SoB (the dear coaster barely had a chance IMO).

Welcome!

I am sure all agree that helpfully it will not have any issues.

[Logan Goddard]

Welcome! And I doubt CF is going to rush construction and make a ride unsafe just to get it out faster, no major threat to the park is looking to build a new roller coaster in the next 3 years, other then maybe CP. 

 

As for the manufacturer, I'm not going to believe a side until KI says it. Like I said earlier I'm currently 60/40 GCI.

[upstop]

I only hope it has T-bar restraints and padded seats.

[ethancoaster]

https://www.facebook.com/IrvineOndreyEngineering/photos/a.475305665826794.115576.474347982589229/1200454699978550/?type=3&theater

Apparently, they worked on Goldstriker.

[Beast Gal]

https://www.facebook.com/IrvineOndreyEngineering/photos/a.475305665826794.115576.474347982589229/1200454699978550/?type=3&theater

Apparently, they worked on Goldstriker.

They got the mean streak contract. Gci must be re profiling the ride then. The meetings with RMC must be for the KI ride then.

[Beast Gal]

Guys, it's definitely an RMC. If you look at the blueprints, the one thing I was looking at was the lateral bracing. In the close up of the blueprints for the area of work, the structure is not like a GCI structure since all the braces are INDEPENDENT structures, except for connections at extremities. These blueprints would indicate crossbeams between lateral braces. The blueprints are now screaming RMC.

Game Over!

[rhyano]

 

https://www.facebook.com/IrvineOndreyEngineering/photos/a.475305665826794.115576.474347982589229/1200454699978550/?type=3&theater

Apparently, they worked on Goldstriker.

They got the mean streak contract. Gci must be re profiling the ride then.

 

 

They did Lightning Rod and Storm Chaser too...

[Beast Gal]

Well crap.

[Logan Goddard]

They did mention in the comments that it wasn't at the Point.

[Shawn Meyer]

^ What's the name of the construction company?

[Logan Goddard]

^ Irvine Ondrey Engineering 

 

 

They mentioned posting updates when they can.

[silver2005]

This question is coming from someone not apt in knowledge of engineering, but before we all jump on architectural differences between the two, what's to stop GCI from doing things RMC does or vice versa?  The stuff you guys are jumping on seem inconsequential to me.  

[Kenban]

FYI they also confirmed it is a retrofit so it is not new construction. So not this project at all.

[Logan Goddard]

^ Soo...... Hurler?

[FoF96"]

They also did Lightning Run and T3. They manufacture control systems for rides. So they can work with literally any manufacturer.

[Beast Gal]

If it was for this ride, wouldn't this stuff be already agreed to and work done already?

[Kenban]

^ Soo...... Hurler?

Makes sense. It is SBNO and the park already announced it was going to get extensive renovations before reopening next year.

[Hunterhughes1997]

I know this has nothing to do with 2017, but does anybody think a Dark Ride is in the near future in the old Crypt building?

[KI FANATIC 37]

This question is coming from someone not apt in knowledge of engineering, but before we all jump on architectural differences between the two, what's to stop GCI from doing things RMC does or vice versa?  The stuff you guys are jumping on seem inconsequential to me.  

 

I remember a time when B&M said they wouldn't cross the 300ft barrier...when they didn't have any launched coasters...

 

Dang. That was just about 4 years ago. Much has changed. And much can change!

[fryoj]

Guys, it's definitely an RMC. If you look at the blueprints, the one thing I was looking at was the lateral bracing. In the close up of the blueprints for the area of work, the structure is not like a GCI structure since all the braces are INDEPENDENT structures, except for connections at extremities. These blueprints would indicate crossbeams between lateral braces. The blueprints are now screaming RMC.

 

 

The close up is a footer diagram. It's not a structural diagram. I don't think we can take anything about the structure above from these plans other than its wood. 

[Vortex lover]

For anybody interested here is the screenshot of that comment from IOE

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[SonODiamondback]

It comes down to cost.im starting to lean more on the CGI side then RMC after seeing some of the recent post. So hopefully this is GCI biggest project to date or we just might be in line for a Giga in the next few years. Either way it's a win win for KI

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[ruffbn]

Hi guys! 

Long time follower, first time poster.  Just wanted to finally join in on the fun!  This is the first season I've had a pass in probably more than a decade!  I grew up in the area but I moved away for some time as I started my career.  This is my first full year back in Ohio.  My wife and I decided to get passes for the heck of it and I can say that it has been a blast!  We've been about a dozen times so far this season and have enjoyed every bit of it!  Hopping on KIC and following the KI community has been really fun and has added to the excitement for me!  Sorry for the long winded intro

 

I wanted to throw out a few observations about the rivertown construction.  I am only going to give it my best guess based on my experience with Engineering/Construction. I have a bachelors degree in Construction Management with a focus in Civil Engineering Technology.  I'm probably non the wiser than anybody else on here, but I work with Engineering/Construction drawings on a daily basis as well as the actual construction activities on various projects.  Here are my thoughts of what I have seen so far:

 

The land clearing for this project is shaping up quickly.  I've seen a lot of development in the last few weeks from riding the train and WWC.  A lot of folks have commented on the surveying stakes for this project.  While they are a good indication of construction in the area, they may not always have direct correlation with the layout of the ride.  For example, any time the shape of the land is altered in any significant way, there is usually a large undertaking in the grading and drainage efforts.  A lot of those stakes could be limits of the grading and or clearing or even just mark a buffer zone between the actual area of work and the limits of the construction area. I think the best bet is going to be getting a hold of some more in depth drawings in order to map out the layout.

 

I wanted to speak up a little bit earlier when there was a lot of talk around the North indication on the plans.  I saw it stated a few times and I would agree with the folks who have said that this most likely represents a "Project North" as opposed to a true north direction indication.  There are a few reasons this is done in construction depending on the project.  I'm actually working on a project right now where the project north is closer to East than it is North.  My guess is it is based around the orientation of a major part of construction other than the track itself.  Most likely a station building, or something of that nature.

 

Lastly, it looks to me like the steel in the pictures that is laying in the construction area is most likely for the civil work, and not the ride itself.  I am making this assumption based on a few reasons.  One is that I think it would be unlikely that anything touching the ride itself would come untreated or unpainted.  Most steel for structural support comes from the shop either galvanized, painted, or at least primed.  These do not appear to have anything on them.  That leads me to believe they are for piling.  The I shape is ideal for pile driving.  If you look at retaining wall piles or even guardrails for that matter, you will most likely see something similar to those.  Additionally, the lack of any pre-drilled beams also leads me to believe they are not intended for the ride structure itself.  I would be highly surprised if anything steel arrived on site for the actual ride itself that wasn't pre-fabricated.  It's a pretty typical practice in construction to do anything and everything you can in a shop setting to control cost and quality.  You want to limit the amount of field welds or bolt up connections on the construction site in order to ensure a quicker build and less worries of and quality control issues.

 

Anyways, sorry for the long winded post.  I've been meaning to throw in my thoughts but haven't had an opportunity until now.  Look forward to the discussion!

 

[shark6495]

What a great first post. Welcome. I think my first post was probably something terrible like "beast is the best!"

Welcome to Kic

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