The Interpreter Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 Man arrested after fight at Great Wolf Lodge BY ERIC BRADLEY | COMMUNITY PRESS STAFF WRITER MASON - An Indiana man was arrested and a Middletown man was sent to the hospital after an altercation at Great Wolf Lodge in Mason on Jan. 7. James W. Dammann, 36, of New Palestine, Ind., was arrested by Mason police on charges of assault and disorderly conduct while intoxicated after he allegedly hit a man in the head with a beer bottle. The victim, Robert L. Collins, 37, of Middletown, was taken to Bethesda Medical Center at Arrow Springs and treated for head injuries. According to a Mason police report, Dammann said he, his wife and child were walking through the lodge's indoor waterpark while fully clothed earlier in the evening. Two men, allegedly Collins and his brother-in-law, poured water on them from above, causing the men to "exchange words." Dammann ran into the two men in a hallway later in the night. More words were exchanged and a struggle ensued in which Collins was hit on the head with a bottle, causing him to bleed profusely. Police said Dammann had a strong odor of alcohol on him and Dammann told police he had brought the bottle into the hotel. All witnesses Mason police spoke to said Dammann was the primary aggressor and had been disorderly and cursing leading up to the incident, the report said. Jennifer Beranek, a spokeswoman for Great Wolf Lodge, said guests are only allowed to keep glass containers inside of their rooms or purchase and consume them in authorized areas. Authorities were considering upgrading the assault charge against Dammann to felonious assault, but no action was taken as of press deadline. Great Wolf Lodge, a resort, indoor waterpark and conference center near Paramount's Kings Island, opened last month. http://news.communitypress.com/apps/pbcs.d...0369/1075/Local Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeLorean Rider Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 I've walked through the water park fully clothed several times and you have to watch out for people cause they will throw water on you from above. On new years eve, my mom and I were there and two kids had grabbed one of the little water wheels and tried to let it go as we walked under, luckily i pushed my mom out of the way but I did get some overspray. That and the kids that insist on standing on the fountains in the floor and shooting it everywhere. If you're going in clothes, you gotta be careful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Bombay Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 Hope they charge him wtih felonious assault. What a moron. They need to ht him over the head with a bat, as well as the tigger kids dad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeLorean Rider Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 Great example for his child btw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dane Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 When I walked through in a suit with one of the Great Wolf Lodge guys, he strongly discouraged walking through the area to the left of the big play thing and the lounge chairs because those buckets and sprayers will get you. Totally see this happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted January 9, 2007 Author Share Posted January 9, 2007 Seems to me it'd be REALLY smart for them to post signs in that area warning of the hazard then. I, for one, would not be amused to have water dumped on me in that high priced hotel a la waterpark. Then again, I wouldn't be there in the first place! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WooferBearATL Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 One would likely expect to get wet at a water park I would think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted January 9, 2007 Author Share Posted January 9, 2007 Which is why I wouldn't be there in the first place. Still, one should be able to walk through a public area, fully clothed, without fear of having water purposely dumped on one's head. Seem reasonable to you? It does to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Nemo Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 Hazard... Listen to this! Dane in his post is 100% right, don't walk near the fort or you are asking for it! I see fully clothed people just looking around get drenched by a bucket. Especially the bucket where guests hold on to it from above and when someone walks under it... SPLASH! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted January 9, 2007 Author Share Posted January 9, 2007 Even though I think it is reasonable to expect one's dryness to be respected, I do agree it is NOT reasonable to ASSAULT those who do not honor that wish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKIDelirium Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 Personally, I think if someone dumps water on someone that's walking through there just looking around, they should be ejected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOPGUN1993 Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 I was taking Pictures over in the snack area next to the lazy river, and some kid (about 13) splashes me and got me soaked. I had my camera out and was taking Pictures (he clearly saw I was taking pics.) So myself and my camera were complety soaked! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WooferBearATL Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 Ya know, it is a water park. Water Park's do tend to have (you know) water in them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted January 9, 2007 Author Share Posted January 9, 2007 Water parks, yes. Hotels with fancy waterparks in the lobby where it can be expected that at least some people may be wandering through in street clothes/business attire are something else. Or maybe even not. Would you think it appropriate if someone blasted Mr. Kinzel with water as he walked through Waterworks or whatever it is soon to be called? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Bombay Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 It is definently not appropriate to splash any park employee or unsuspecting guest. The people walking through the GWL water park were fully lcothed and having personally been on the playground thing with the water jets I'm sure the morons up there could plainly see that and chose to be malicious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avatar Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 Were they have this bucket located is pretty close to the front and were guests who are there to just check things out haft to come through because of the lounge chairs for the wave pool. We watched this happen all day when we were there and guest would dump these buckets on old ladies who where full clothed with they’re hair just made up and we also witnessed a man carrying two full size pizzas with four drinks get fully dowsed by this devious behavior. They know who they are splashing and can see if they are carrying anything or are fully clothed. All the men involved in this incident are idiots! First of all the first set of men were also in their 30’s and should have known better than to dowse a fully clothed family, they are setting a pour example for the kids too. And of course the idiot that let his pride get to him so much that he decided to take it to a violent act. Here’s what it looks like if you are standing under this bucket when they decided to pour it on you!!! notice the kids faces half way onthe right. You come in just under this picture then go under the bridge toward the wave pool and as soon as you turn to the right after the bridge is were all this bucket dumping takes place. As you can see the guest have no choice but to that direction because of the lounge chairs steer them that direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted January 9, 2007 Author Share Posted January 9, 2007 With all due respect, this sounds like VERY poor design on Great Wolf's part... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tubaman Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 Anybody else have trouble not saying Da' Man to themselves when reading the article? Anyways, while it is very disrespectful for guest to do this to other patrons...kids these days are just awful. Maybe if they made the bucket so it took more of an effort than your average 10 year old was willing to give to tip over. I don't know how the bucket works though, so, oh well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIfan73 Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 They sure didn't need any bad press, thats for sure. Its just enough to make people at least maybe think twice about going there. I know it does me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avatar Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 Probably any kid over 7 can do this with ease, they pull the rope to fill two buckets then turn the water off so guest below do not see any dripping and they are following the designated path. Mean while the kids (young and old) duck under the wood front structure and peek through the slots and wait till the unsuspecting come by even if the guest look up they don’t see anyone there so they continue right into the path of this bucket splashing game. Yes this bucket should be shut off as it is located above a main artery, guest coming and leaving with their towels, camera’s, drinks and so on haft to go through this area. I seen several other places that they had the buckets turned off, that was more in the center of the park that would not bother anyone.. I have sevearl picture's of this happing to fully clothed guests, but my media card is not co-operating right now. In my opinion this is going to happen pretty regular as while we were there we witnessed two grown adults shouting up to the kids above and we also saw one life guard get really angry and shouted at the kids after he was dowsed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted January 9, 2007 Author Share Posted January 9, 2007 This is just really, really bad design. When people can be expected to misbehave, you must take that into account in design. Sounds like they didn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WooferBearATL Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 Please explain to my why someone would go to a water park and expect to not get wet. I really have to hear this explanation. It would be like me going to a Mexican Restaurant and expect to not be subjected to chips. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted January 10, 2007 Author Share Posted January 10, 2007 It's NOT just a waterpark, Woofer, it's a VERY expensive high class hotel. People are leaving, people are coming in...and they are dressed in street clothes. Some are grandmas and grandpas. I am sorry you can't seem to understand that. Having a loadable bucket of gallons and gallons of water right above a path that MUST be used by these people is really world class dumb. Period. And no one is FORCED to eat chips at a Mexican restaurant. Similarly, no one should be forced to be DOUSED by miscreants at a hotel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avatar Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 I agree totally that one should expect to get wet when going into a water park. But as interpreter explained in this case a lot of guest show up in street clothes then change or bring a change of clothes because they have checked out and are using the park as they are allowed to until 10.pm. The problem is that they have the Fort Water Activity Center roped off so that most guest can see where the water wet zones are, except in this one area that so happens to be where 90% of the guest have to pass under to get to any chairs, restaurant’s or the bar area. I have also seen several mothers come in with Simi beach wear on with no intention to get wet, but with only the sole intention as to keep an eye on their young ones. They often have drinks, camera’s and of course the National Enquire under their arms to read while waiting. I also think that most guest going to any water park (indoor or outdoor ) would like to have at least a reasonable chance to get a seat, go to the restaurant’s or to the changing room without having 2 buckets of water dumped on them first. the area in question at the GWL is not just one buckets but two buckets, one right above the other and can be manipulated to give one long splash or one great big splash. But some really devious kids time it so that they tip one bucket then wait about 2-3 seconds so that as the unsuspecting guest looks up after thinking that it's over gets another bucket full right in the face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KI-ORIG-EMP Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 It is one thing for a kid to soak someone that is fully clothed but an adult doing the same thing is something all together. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WooferBearATL Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 I can't even believe that we're having a discussion about the appropriateness of getting splashed at a water park. My suggestion would be (hotel or not) that if one does not want to get wet - one does not go where they can be splashed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKIDelirium Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 If you want to walk around the waterpark just to look around, you should be able to do so with a reasonable amount of dryness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cody Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 I can't even believe that we're having a discussion about the appropriateness of getting splashed at a water park. My suggestion would be (hotel or not) that if one does not want to get wet - one does not go where they can be splashed. Do you really think that they knew they were gona get splashed? No its was a surprise, I can see alot more fights happening from this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cody Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 I can't even believe that we're having a discussion about the appropriateness of getting splashed at a water park. My suggestion would be (hotel or not) that if one does not want to get wet - one does not go where they can be splashed. Do you really think that they knew they were gona get splashed? No its was a surprise, I can see alot more fights happening from this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dane Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 From the Great Wolf lodge Rules and Regulations handbook. There are inherent risks in the participation in or any amusement ride or attraction. You have a duty to exercise good judgment and act in a responsible manner while participating on the ride or attraction and to obey all oral and/or written warnings. You also have a duty to properly use all ride or attraction safety equipment provided. In this case the entire Waterpark area is considered a attraction. Attraction defined as a an entertainment offered to the public or members. The question at hand is who to what degree of bad judgment both subjects made. The bad judgment of the man walking around a waterpark in clothing he did intend to get wet. Or the bad judgment of the child of splashing the man in street cloths with the water. Lets look at some information... The fact is the man was in a dangerous area (in terms of getting wet) if he did not intend to get wet. The child was at fault when it comes down to his moral values, rather than rules or law. Should the child have the morals and self discipline to not spray the man? In my opinion yes, but the man should have had the intelligence to know that hes entering a hostile environment for his intentions of staying dry. Personal experience as I outlayed in my last posts says that the general perception in entering a waterpark such as those found in Great Wolf Lodge is at your own risk. I was encouraged to take pictures of the attraction but at the sametime, strongly discouraged from bringing two thousand dollars of camera equipment into the central portions waterpark itself. I still am judging this in favor of the child. The grown up man should have excercised good judgment to not enter the waterpark area in cloths he did not intend to get wet. Which is in essence against the rules of the Great Wolf Lodge itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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