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All of these posts suggesting that B&M inverts are antiquated technology and irrelevant in 2013 and "belong at KK" are really starting to annoy me. Allow me to explain why these arguments are bunk. Let's start with the argument that they are outdated and irrelevant. In that barring insane new advancements in technology (like anti-rollbacks or the like) that doesn't happen to coasters. The first sit down looping coasters were built by Arrow in the 1970's. Does that make Kumba any less significant in the 1990's, or the same Arrow coasters less significant now? Our Vortex is 26 years old, and still one of the most popular rides in the park. Heck, the first hyper coaster was built a full 20 years before Diamondback, B&M's first hypercoaster was built 10 years before Diamondback, but no one complained of the hypercoaster "gimmick" being outdated and irrelevant when it came to Kings Island. It was a hole in Kings Island's lineup that was filled with an excellent ride, regardless of the age of the model. Which leads me to my next point. Inverted coasters are not a gimmick. There are some elements of roller coasters that you can debate are gimmicky. 90 degree lifts, tunnels, backwards running trains, etc. But inverted coasters are an entire model of roller coaster, and designed to be just as expansive as the classical sit-down model. They offer their own unique ride experience not only for the invert model but for each individual ride. Saying that the inverted coaster design in and of itself is an inherent gimmick would be akin to saying that hyper coasters or looping coasters are inherently gimmicky. And lastly, I would like to point out that if Kings Island installed a B&M invert for 2014, you guys would be the only ones upset. B&M has been building inverts since the early 1990's, and continue to build them all around the world to a wide range of customers. Some point out that the last invert built in the United States was built in 2006, and I would like to point out that that is because nearly every park in the country that can afford an invert already has one. The Six Flags parks have their Batman: The Rides, the Busch parks have Montu and Alpengeist, the Cedar Fair parks have Raptor, Talon, Patriot, Afterburn, Flight Deck, etc. It seems that Kings Island has, like with the hyper model, been left out of the party. And, like with Diamondback, no one when it opens will say "don't ride this! It's decades old technology, it's so outdated!" Instead, people will come out to ride it in the millions, as with Diamondback. (In the 5 years it has been here, Diamondback has given enough rides to service the entire Greater Cincinnati area). A B&M invert would do the same. It would fill a much needed hole in Kings Island's lineup and would attract millions of riders, because a large majority of patrons care only about what they have ridden at their home park, not its context in the global coaster industry. And as for the enthusiast community, I feel like this B&M invert prejudice is being fostered by a small and vocal minority. I personally have very few rides that I dislike, and I can't think of an entire model of roller coaster that I don't like. That doesnt mean you cant dislike certain coasters, but generalizing an entire model of roller coaster is not a great idea. And most seasoned veterans will tell you that if you don't like a ride, then don't ride it. A truly bad roller coaster is any roller coaster that does its home park more harm than good, not whichever one you enjoyed or didn't enjoy. And a B&M invert would do Kings Island a lot of good. So if you don't like B&M inverts, don't ride the one Kings Island gets, if we do get one. Don't try and assert your opinion on them as a fact of the industry.

On those speaking of using 20 year old technology for an inverted- they still build wooden coasters, whose technology spans 100+ years. Just sayin'.

This is what I'd call excellent themeing.

Forces on inverted rides are experienced by riders far differently than on above the track rides. It is NOT just about visual effects.

Kings Island is not a precocious teen. Four or fewer texts a month, not per minute.

Hey, It's a rollercoaster! It's going to go rather high, drop fast and have inversions and it's going to draw in visitors so the park can create what....more rollercoasters! Regardless of whether it's the kind of coaster you want today, I figure you will ride it and you just might have fun and the end result will be something bigger and better in a couple of years. It's a cyclical thing...I'm just excited that it will have wheels and a track.

One less person in line woo! If it's an invert, I'll plan to ride 2-3 times a trip. Like Diamondback. Because what other ride is worth riding 2-3 times other time FoF/Beast/TopGun-Flight Deck? Adventure Express. A marathon-worthy mine train if there ever was one.

Here's something I came up with. It might be somewhat outlandish, but I wanted to try and do my best at the decoding. Let's assume that we might (not ARE) get a B&M inverted coaster. Each of these clues represents one of the B&M inverted coasters at a Cedar Fair park (except for Silver Bullet because I had nothing on it). Cedar Fair B&M Inverted Coasters/Possible Clues Raptor – Cedar Point/Owl Prop (an owl is a bird of prey called a raptor) Talon – Dorney Park/Owl Prop (owls use their talons to catch its prey) Afterburn – Carrowinds/Don’s “How about a little fire, Scarecrow?” Tweet. (Fire=burn) Patriot – Worlds of Fun/ Don quoting Steve Miller Band’s “Fly like an Eagle” (Patriot’s logo has an eagle) Silver Bullet - Knott’s Berry Farm/This one I don't know. Has Don Tweeted a Bob Segar and the Silver Bullet Band song? Flight Deck – California’s Great America/ “No Camping” (as in military boot camp) signs have a stenciled font (very military-ish) and Don’s “A Few Good Men” movie quote. Other Decoding Theories The 7 owls could represent 7 inversions? What do you guys think?

The video really can't be posted enough. It's NOT a Winged Coaster. Keep speculating.

Why should it matter if this ride is a record breaker? As long as it's not a back breaker, it gets the Skippy Seal of Approval,

Maybe the drains and pipe in the area are to correct an existing problem while at the same time building the new attraction. For many years, many of us have complained about the sour smell on AE, and have been told that it's due to the drainage of an ice cream (?) shop in AZ. Perhaps they are fixing this problem. AZ looks too much like a generic amusement park to me, where the rest of KI has a little bit of scenic magic to it. I know it's the concrete layout, but to me, it lacks imagination.

^^Yeah because no one rides Behemoth anymore. In fact I hear they are removing it. (Please be advised that the above contains the use of something known as sarcasm.)

Uh...that video was JUST posted...again.

Matt Ouimet wouldn't lie about Winged Coasters going to other parks. He could have easy dodged the question or given a vague answer. I honestly think no means no. I don't think that Don posted about The Bat for no reason. It's not a Winged Coaster, but what other types of coasters are Kings Island lacking that could have you flying though the air like a bat?

Perhaps he was going to look at KIC for the first time. Show him how nice and gracious we can be to each other and the park.

Everyone here is like...it's this and that.. I'm over here like...it's s coaster I'll wait for an announcement haha

Come on guys, Why would Mr. Ouimet lie? He was asked a direct question and answered that there were no more planned. He has a reputation to keep and being caught in a lie is not acceptable, especially to the stock holders/ investors at Cedar Fair. Mr. Ouimet could have easily dodged the question but he answered truthfully. The reason he won't disclose information about any coaster is quite clear....coasters are built for fun and to generate profits during season pass sales. If he were to have blurted out the coaster type in April for next year, the excitement about the new coaster would have dwindled to nothing by season pass sales time, and the stock holders/investors would have looked at saying something early as a bad public relations move. JUST WAIT UNTIL IT IS ANNOUNCED THAT SEASON PASS SALE ARE TO BEGIN...then expect an announcement soon after. Give him some credit, he's probably as excited about this coaster as you, and he just can't say anything. EDIT: Also implying that he's a liar on a public forum, is not good for the reputation of this site either.

I think people get hung up on words way to much. I know if this turns out to be an invert and its 200 feet and not called a hyper invert I'm not really going to care. I'm not going to get off the ride and say , it would have been a much better ride experience if they called this a hyper invert. I don't think it matters.

I believe they were square when Arrow delivered Vortex.

Good things come to those who wait....

Out of the inverts I've been on Volcano is by far my favorite. Which got me thinking, with the rumblings of B&M wanting to develop an in house launch coaster. What if they decided to make their debut on an invert? A guy can dream right?

I'm desperately wanting to be nice right now, but nevertheless this is bubbling up inside me and I just gotta say it: What kind of cheese would you like with your whine, YoungStud?

At least one member here isn't speculating, nor expectorating.

I'm not trying to play forum police here, so I hope certain members won't bash me over the head for posting this. I wonder if maybe KIC needs to institute a rule requiring everyone to read through an entire thread first before commenting. I think I speak for a lot of people when I say the issue of Project 2014 being a wing coaster is a dead one. This has been discussed over and over already: it is NOT going to be a wing coaster. PLEASE....watch this video and pay particular attention to what Matt Ouimet says starting at timestamp 2:15. P.S. I guess I need to take my own advice and read through all the posts first before leaving responses. I see Beastmaster already posted this video. I'm sorry, dude....I'm a bit slow in reading this evening.

If it is announced on a day the park is open and in a public place, it's open to all visitors. If it is announced that media only are invited....well unless you are a part of a media outlet...no.....Most of the time the park wants word of mouth advertising so it's done with fanfare to current park guests....they will announce to us when they are ready if we are allowed to be there.

Yesterday I was lucky enough to experience a trimless ride on Mean Streak! It was smooth and, somewhat surprisingly, fun!

To be quite honest, I'd like to go today, thinking of getting away from the mundane, and right now, the thought of riding Flight Deck is what's causing me to want to go. It's not the most thrilling of rides, but the experience is different enough for me to want to experience it again.

A giga is nothing like a hyper IMO... Gigas are on another level with their speed..DB and a giga could coexist very well because one was made for air time and the other would be made for speed, an invert on the other hand can only be ridden once or twice in a day before the average person will have a severe headache, KI already has an invert within a rock throw of this new coaster so IMO that does not make sense Yeah, but KI also had a hyper "within a rock throw" of Diamondback, too. It's called Magnum. And...CP already has MF. So what's your point? I'm getting a tad annoyed with all this talk about how KI doesn't need an invert because one already exists at Cedar Point. If we go by that logic, KI wouldn't be getting much of ANYTHING, except maybe a floorless or dive coaster, because CP already has everything else.

Greg Scheid tweeted this morning "Wow! Took my first look this morning at the............... and cannot wait to share it with our fans." Also KI tweeted that KIClup would be first to know

Yep. This attraction is being built for FUN and profit, it can safely be said with great reliabilty.

Because the rest of the rides here are mediocre. I think if you asked most people if they could have a ride like Millennium Force or like Raptor, they would pick Millennium. If you asked the GP if they wanted a zero-G roll or dive loop, they'd probably look at you like you are crazy. They don't know what that means. Obviously the GP at Canada's Wonderland doesn't notice that Behemoth and Leviathan are similar. All of that being said, I'm almost positive this is an Invert. So is Gatekeeper. Yes.

One less person in line woo! If it's an invert, I'll plan to ride 2-3 times a trip. Like Diamondback. Because what other ride is worth riding 2-3 times other time FoF/Beast/TopGun-Flight Deck?

Let me just say this, and then I need to hang it up for the night: I don't dislike YoungStud. I admire his loyalty to Intamin. I understand he has his opinions, and he's more than welcome to them. I'm not even saying anything bad about Intamin. In fact, I couldn't care less if the coaster is Intamin or B&M. But I get annoyed by the whole ragging on B&M thing, because it's like listening to a whining little kid who didn't get the Christmas present he asked Santa for. Life is like that. I want him to join in the celebration of whatever we do get. I want him to have fun here, and I want him to feel welcomed here. But he needs to learn he's not going to get everything he wants, and whining about it won't help. But that doesn't mean he will NEVER get what he wants. He's just not getting it this time. Who knows what KI holds for the future. Maybe Intamin will be selected to build a giga, and then YS will be happy he waited. Have a good night, YoungStud. I mean that.

Guys, sure YoungStud can be annoying by hating on B&M, but it's his opinion. Stop bugging him about it and maybe he'll stop annoying us with his B&M complaints.

Actually, it's the getting down part that seems to be hard. SIX's choice is looking better and better...so far.

Here's a POV of Joker's Jinx, filmed by the Discovery Channel (so it's legal), which is essentially a bigger outdoor version of Flight of Fear. The inversions are a cobra roll (2), a sidewinder, and a corkscrew. Seriously, for those of you wondering about coaster facts and stuff, rcdb.com will blow your mind.

For the 100th time: Mr. Oiumet (Cedar Fair's new CEO) has stated that there are no other wing coasters on the menu. He also stated he wants each park to be unique. What you stated is what the old CEO was doing. Here's the interview during Gatekeeper's opening:

That was not track, it was maintenance area supports. It most likely is still there being a weekend and all. I would assume that where ever it is going, it will be headed that way this week. If it is indeed for KI, then I think we could see vertical construction as early as next week. Also, the first track installed on Diamondback was the actual sliding transfer section. I actually was at the park the day they installed it. You guys have to also remember that not all the footers were poured when Daimondback's train maintenance started to go vertical. This photo was taken on 8/13/2008, and is the first vertical structure of the ride. Notice that while track is onsite, the sliding transfer section is not yet installed. However, we are only 5 days behind the first documented days of track being onsite. 7/22/2008 is the earliest listed on RCDB's Diamondback page. The photos could have been taken prior to the dates on RCDB, but it should give a rough estimate. The longest part of coaster construction, is preparing the land. The drains could be in the queue area, or ride plaza. Gatekeeper's plaza is very nice, I think we can see something just as nice here at KI.

The concrete is hot, and reflects light, causing a glare. I'd like to see pavers or another medium used. Some greenery would be nice. When it had a 'jungle' theme, it was more inviting. It was cooler and more shaded, and had better atmosphere. I know the monkeys were a pain, but they were nice to have. The water area was nice to have. KI for a lot of people is their break from the every day. As a pass holder, I want to go for a few hours to get away fro the mundane, and AZ looks very mundane to me- it has the same atmosphere as downtown Columbus. To be honest, this whole Hollywood is Great! business that came with Paramount always bothered me. I know Paramount had to advertise their junk as best as they could, but "Action Zone" and all the stunty stuff left me cold. "Come and live a blighted fantasy via our rides." Ptooie. A lot of us are happy with what we have, and don't like the "If it's not on TV it doesn't exist" attitude that many film companies have. Re Don's tweet- I loved The Bat. When my cousin and I would go to the park back then, we'd go to The Bat first, to see if it was up and running. The thrill was the height, that was all, it wasn't particularly frightening with speed or extra thrills, but I loved it.

Proof that you have to be quick on your feet on here That went up as I was creating my post....sorry about that.

They would not be below the footer if they are for maintaining the water level at the same height as the footers. like you see with Maverick

A 2014 Invert would bring a new style and coaster to the park. Even though it's not my first choice, I still think that it will be great and unique. I have faith in B&M and Cedar Fair.

I feel sometimes alone in my like for inverts, woodies, Vekomas, and waterparks. I don't know about you guys but I love inverts, they feel different and almost like you are flying (hence Flight Deck). I on the other hand love inverts due to the "fly by" element you get on them and the great feel you can acquire. I'm going to be very happy if we get an invert and or hyper, which I don't see a hyper there.

I just can't believe Cedar Fair would waste this much money on a coaster using 20 year old technology. If it is an invert, they should have just re-located something or bought some used invert because they are all the same. I guess Kings Island will remain the family destination and Cedar will still be for the big boys. Installing an invert is almost laughable, it belongs somewhere like KK. Looks like I will have to wait until 2020 for the giga, since they are 20 years behind CP.....smh

^^^See, that's where classification could get interesting. I still call WT an Impulse, even though it technically is an Inverted Hyper. These classifications can get way too complicated than necessary at times, so sometimes during discussions like these I just try to slowly back away

My experiences: Raptor (Cedar Point) . Top Gun (Carowinds). Batman (SFGam). Batman (SFOT). Goliath (SFFT). Great White (Sea World San Antonio) Backwards Batman (SFGam) Quality is the theme. All I want is quality. I have high standards. I've been pleased with all the above. I can't wait for 2014. Say whatchu wanna say and be mad. Life's too short to be unhappy. <--------PS I'm hugging a B&M Invert, Great White

Were these taken on CSF's property? Because the 'CSF' on the sign in the first picture is backwards, which implies... We don't need anymore trespassing

I have heard that a chain that numbers its flags also buys rolly coasters.

Here are his pics he ask me to post them for him http://i.imgur.com/PwOAKPO.jpg http://i.imgur.com/Iy4AUGN.jpg http://i.imgur.com/V03fhkO.jpg http://i.imgur.com/KG71qEQ.jpg

Does anyone else find it ironic that the first three numbers in the pictures of the supports posted are 666?