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Any business that advertises a product, then has a disclaimer that they may not provide the advertise product, is an unethical business. Period. an ethical business provides what is advertised and does not use disclaimers to fool customers.

I’m not a fan of lights on formed frames. I prefer them in the trees and in the buildings. they are not going to do this because of the labor cost but imagine the train ride with lights in the high trees…..

They need to separate the vocalists and the animals. For BOTH of their sakes.

No. Even though meals are “free” eating more of the mediocre food there is not worth the price. Eating isn’t a hobby for me, so 2 meals are sufficient. I think the meal snd drink plan are appx $180 of my season pass package. That’s about 9 meals with drinks to bear even. I go at least 20x a year. Eating just one meal a visit would be appx $400 spent. Even if I was buying the sweets on the side, there is no way it would be $220 worth. I will say this for the season dining pass though. The food at these parks is not anything outstanding. So they probably do encourage people to eat at the park that would not eat at the park at all.

Got it. So it’s believed people spend more during the season because of the meal plans. Personally the meal plans have probably cut my season expenditures in at least half of not more.

Right. SIX offered the season dining pass for many seasons like Cedar Fair. When they eliminated it, it affected their attendance because their customers expected. Just like the Cedar Fair customers. I contend that It would’ve been better business and more profitable overall to have never offered it and just charged fair prices for food. but we are getting what we are paying for. A lesser experience because of the overall lower prices in a season pass package. this includes the sleazy procedure that in Cedar Fair house of closing some parks entirely if attendance is low and there is any rain That it is probably a high majority of season pass holders in attendance when they pull that trick. They know if even if they upset the season pass holders they will still buy the cheap season passes I would also prefer to pay more for a quality experience, longer park hours, all rides, operating, and most of all knowing that a Park is going to operate. It’s advertise hours when I travel.

When SIX realized their cheap all season meal plans were not financially smart, they tried to take them away and it backfired even worse. SEAS was able to successfully eliminate their meal plan. But they have jacked prices up and cut hours so much it encourages customers to eat outside. I also don’t think they had their meal plan available very long, so it wasn’t as ingrained into their customers at Cedar Fair. Cedar Fair is in the same situation as Six Flags Their customers are so used to the low price season passes and meal plans, they are in a bad position to try to take them away or increase prices to the level they should be. So the solution is to jack up the price sky high on everything else and cut portions and good quality. Which is exactly what is happening. A better business plan IMO is to offer reasonably priced meals. Then they are never giving away food like they do on the meal plan and profit off of every transaction. When the meal plan is used 20 plus times in a season, it isn’t very profitable when labor is factored in. I like the season pass, meal plan, and drink plan, for $350 American purchasing through Canada’s Wonderland. That’s all I’m going to spend in Cedar Fair Park’s for an entire season except for some camping at kings dominion. But just because the plan works well for me, I can’t defend it as a smart business practice. and I still contend these cheap season passes and meal plans are ultimately the problem that is leading to all of these cutbacks. When customers get things cheaply, they’re going to get a lower quality product.

They have shot themselves in the foot with a meal plan. They make so little off of most of the meal plans that they jacked the price of sky high for individual meals. I think the better business plan is just to have reasonably priced meals instead of the meal plan. But they’re in too far to turn around now.

Monster is not designed for efficiency unfortunately. Like ferris wheels. The Huss Magic has a similar motion to monster but loads all gondolas at once. Plus it has 4 person gondolas suspended from above. Huss just introduced a new version of it, so hopefully some parks will get one. It’s a great ride. (This is not wishing that monster would be replaced with a magic. Monster is one of the original heritage rides that needs to stay)

I don’t know why they just didn’t spend the money to build another bridge over the railroad tracks when they rerouted the queue. It would’ve paid for itself by now with the savings in labor cost of somebody watching that crossing. Plus, there’s much more needed jobs that need filled than that one.

The root of what’s stated above is Cedar Fairs current penny pinching, cost cutting mindset. They must be mimicking SEAS. I’m surprised (and thankful) that theming wasn’t a victim But they did offset that with cheap Zamperla junk This cost cutting is impacting the guest experience And will not increase attendance

The live entertainment is very weak. Nytewalkers plus the very worn out Monster Rock. No offense to the great talent in the show but that show has had the same playlist and high school choreography forever.

It’s only 12 nights but it’s the only 12 nights of the year with extended darkness for night rides. Summer season only has about an hour of night. Winterfest doesn’t have many rides

There’s nothing scary about any of the actors. They are people dressed up. The ones coming at you on the midway are annoying. Not scary. I agree with the original post. If people like being jumped at the better use for the employees is at the mazes. We all know that Haunt does not bring in a high quality crowd (the reason for no re-entry) . If they didn’t have these annoying actors jumping at people through the park, they might perhaps increase the quality of the crowd with people who don’t care for that stuff, but would like to go to the park for night rides. Cedar Point limits their midway actors to Frontiertown/Trail. The majority of the park midways are just normal night operations. This works great and seems to bring a better quality crowd as they allow re-entry.

I guess I was wrong! But my distrust for this company with their past lies made me pre dispositions to think this was a lie. However, who ever set up the webpage did not do a good job. You would think they would include free parking in the list of perks, not the disclaimer. Especially since parking wasn’t not previously included. but I do wonder since it’s included in the disclaimer if they’re able to take the free parking away at some point. They are selling a $290 platinum pass now for $199. and if you buy it from Canada’s Wonderland that’s in Canadian dollars so it’s really about $160-170 American

They have posted their 2020 for prices. They were lying. Goal pass right now is $99 parking is $85 and the upgrade is $100 that’s $284. That’s the pricing if a person buys their season, pass with the usual early purchase a discount. That’s only $6 dollars less than the platinum was during the prime 2023 season. Sure their advertising uses the wording “up to $65” but it’s just an outright lie. Cedar Fair loves to use sleazy disclaimers and such in their marketing. I have come to the come to the conclusion that this company is not run by honest people. And honest company does not Paul bait and switch. They do not advertise discounts that really don’t in reality. I know that my personal ethics would not allow me to work in the marketing department for this company.

Yes if it was a high quality, animatronic based ride like the original. But I fear it would be screen based with shooting like Knotts Beary Tales remake

Referring to Cedar Fair I’m general. Especially Carowinds and Kings Dominion. I have been burnt multiple times at those parks by ghost weather closures At today. KI. Crowded park. Racer running 1 side. Railroad with 3 cars. 1 train on AE.

What we are told from Cedar Fair employees cannot be trusted because they are told to lie from management. Cedar Fair management puts their employees in a bad position when they tell them to lie. Like when they close the park for low attendance, and mgmt tells employees to lie and say it is weather.

Don’t just look at the quarter look at the year to date numbers. They have decreased drastically from last year. Columns 3 and 4 It’s obvious Cedar Fair has no plan to actually increase attendance. Instead, they’re going to try to milk everything they can out of the current customers. Including all these budget cutting measures that take away from the customer experience. They’ve chased away, traveling customers from several parks with their policy of closing early if there’s low attendance. People are not going to spend money traveling to these parks if there’s any chance of rain when this is the policy. in doing this Cedar Fair is relying on perfect weather for attendance, which is a bad business plan. Now there’s the budget cuts, which translates to less operating hours, right time, live entertainment, and in general just in when it isn’t cleaned as much. This definitely isn’t going to increase attendance. And let’s not forget their bait and switch way of doing business Advertising fake online prices (processing fee not included) and taking away perks for upcharge memberships. In addition to the already false advertising of operating hours at some parks. That definitely does not drive attendance Cedar Fair is debt ridden and they do not have a good business plan to increase attendance with new customers. The customers that they do have they rely too much on cheap season passes and meal plans which don’t generate great profits. All of this cost cutting for short term profits will eventually bring down long term profits. Unfortunately , stock buybacks have destroyed companies in the past when the stock price plummeted after the buyback. This is absolutely possible with Cedar Fair given they are huge debt, and their lack of future growth possibilities with current policies.

Carowinds doesn’t get the attendance that KI does. Their attendance is usually light on weekdays and even Sundays

I noticed on busy Friday that the luster seems to be over for these low quality Zamperla rides. The barrels had no line and the endeavour line was about 2 rows in the queue. The older, quality flat rides (monster, troika, wave swinger, frisbee etc) had longer lines than these new rides.

Maybe you hit a lucky day. I have been there approximately 20 times over the last three years and seen it racing about five days out of those visits.

Do you think they’re going to reduce the price of their gold pass in 2024? If not the combination cost more than the current platinum pass! They would have to reduce the current prices by $85 to meet their $65 advertise discount!

Maybe you hit it in lucky days. I have been to KD over the past several years and it races maybe 25% of the days at best on my visits . Even one side on some Saturdays. They synced lift hills was great when they installed it but now one side always leaves the top a train ahead and there is never an actual race