BeeastFarmer

Do they have to have some sort of training about safe food handling?

Very smart to screenshot it.

That's rough.

You have to break a few eggs to make an omelette. Alternately, some times you have to plunge a toilet to flush a turd. For too long, alot of management at the company has been turds. Flush them out. With less passes sold, maybe they will take notice and new blood can reinvorgarate. The problem with a park like KI that is highly penetrated is that people will still come. Nostalgia can be a stronger motivator than price. KI is hurting from too much penetration.

I agree about silver all year access. Now I'm pondering Mexico ..I assumed it was part of the all parks access, but it specifically says "north American parks".

^the park could face fines for not completing basic maintenance. Without a huge security barrier, someone could get hurt or killed as well. The ultimate solution would be to build a huge fort around it to fulfill the promise to The Beast that the park made...when he gave the land he inherited from his son when he died, the park promised never to tear the lair down.

Which I get, but it just gets back the complexity of the legacy Six Flags pass offerings. That's why I stopped with them. Legacy CF was much simpler...but now with this idea, it makes it even more complex. The best thing I could see is raising the price of a silver pass and giving two tickets at a regional pass from may thru September. Same thing gold, except it's all north American parks. (Side note, is Mexico a separate fee like the new park at Quiddya?). You are giving an upsell opportunity to the next highest tier. What's ultimately going to happen, in my conjecture, is one of two things: 1. Bankruptcy to shed debt before the next maturity date. 8 or 9 parks left after this 2. Drastic downsize of portfolio to raise money to retire debt before the next maturity date. Bankruptcy seems to be the path of least resistance.

We finally agree on something!

If they did that, hard pass for me. I'm fine with paying a higher pass price and add ones if it's worth it, but it's becoming more and more less valuable to me. Silver...home only. Gold...regional. Platinum...chain wide. Each pass could have a premium level as well. Eliminate the variables ( parking not included, access to Scary Farm not included etc) Finally, why is buying a pass from Canada such a big deal? The company still gets its money. If people never blabbed about it publicly, it might could still work for people. If folks are of the opinion that US residents doing this are costing the company money, then they should raise the Canadian prices to be approximately the same price as the US top tier parks.

^ that's been very controversial this week. The event is being moved from Iroquois Park to the lazy river. The organizer has had it at Iroquois Park for quite some time and funds benefited Louisville parks. Parking evidently was a nightmare and was cited as the reason for the move. The city park officials are organizing a replacement event. The original organizer has two or three other events around the country. People are saying that this is corporate greed and they will never come to kk again etc. I'd imagine it's been quite a week for kk pr folks.

Chef Perez is now at a casino in southern Indiana.

I think it's started at 9 for the last couple of years. It's better in the dark.

Now you've done it! He's here! ( Said in my best no legs Larry imitation). You realize that since it's been put in the universe, just for spite, they could make a post about it.

For Kings Island, I think it did. KD, Dorney and a few of the others were the parks that didn't get an "upgraded" Haunt but still attempted to charge. People still bought at KI, CP, Cwland. I can't remember about Cwinds. They may not have liked it, but they bought the mazes.

The thing I liked about Cedar Fair vs Six Flags was the simplicity of, for the most part, the CF pricing structure. Platinum pass= all park access. Drink plan= choose paper or plastic and get a refill every 15 minutes. Meal plan= two meals per visit with four hours in between. Six Flags was more convoluted. You can buy a pass at Labor Day but it has to be activated at that park by November first ( but the park is closed the majority of that time frame) You have to have a plastic cup. I never really used the meal plan extensively, but the year I had it, it was fairly easy, but the food choices were limited. With many things, the company is making things more complicated. If you change the meal plan to be more complicated, it would add to that. Once the company stabilizes, and can actually start to "premiumize" as Bassoul called it, that would be the time to pivot, not now. Current strategy is to pivot to the lowest common denominator, which is cheap pass prices. I would conjecture that they still make a killer profit from the meal plan. Not every park is KI with a huge season pass base, they likely use the law of averages. And with moving away from locally sourced food to national distribution for bulk prices, the cost per meal is probably lower now, even with increased prices in general nationwide. They have made a killing on me, as I have only redeemed it four times because I just don't go often enough, and I bought it last year out of habit, not thinking I would continue staying away from the parks.