BeeastFarmer

I agree, but want to point out: the Paramount Parks were the objects of massive investments for the most part. The legacy parks saw their investments slow down. So, at this time, they are heavily investing in MM, NJ, Chicago, OT, OG. Maybe in a way, ki is similar to Knott's. Huge attendance ( but ki was pass holders) and does really well without frequent large investment. So in a sense, ki could go down a similar trajectory and still be a cash cow, but they'd have to spend money on infrastructure and making the park cohesive and very well themed.

I'm not an analyst, but to push him out prematurely would probably make the stock tumble even more. Shareholders want to see stability and most investors are either in it for the long haul, or they get in and out quickly. Buy low and hold or buy low and sell when it climbs back up.

A small sample size for sure, and it's anecdotal - not published. Family, friends, coworkers etc constantly question me about Kentucky Kingdom and my patronage it. They still call it Six Flags and it's close to 20 years since they operated the park.

Vortex plot? I don't think that would work because: The lift hill is loud. Those pesky neighbors on that side of the park would throw a hissy fit, whine and complain. This is more preference but I want whatever goes there to be placed so as to keep The Beast mystique or enhance it. No flashy lights. I do have a potential proposal for the company that could solve some problems. Kings Island develops its own farm to table farm over in the River Town area, back behind the Midway quite a bit. A real farm to supply food to the park, for protein, specific to chicken, pork and beefy. The patrons benefit by having a new land to explore and learn from authentic seasonal KI farmers, the park has very fresh food and it is quieter than a loud coaster. Odor wouldn't be a problem because industrial fans could channel air south and east. Surely I jest ..or unsurely? ( If you've never had experience with a hog farm, a feedlot or large brooder houses, you may struggle with the attempt at humour).

Remember, however, that Taft lost interest in the parks and they started to stagnate until they were sold to keco. I think KI, as the flagship, was sold to a local business man with keco as the operator. Then Paramount happened and we lost Australia's Wonderland. I digress. The future Six Flags will probably look a lot different than the present six flags. 2028 is supposed to be the year of "the great reset.". So maybe that means they will be pared down to just the major profit centers. Hopefully Kings Dominion survives Six Flags or the entity it is spun into.

Those trees would be goners.

And remember, perception is reality. X2 has nothing to do with KI, but now that it's problems are being aired out, everything is "six flags is unsafe, did you hear about the people who died on that roller coaster?". We all know the safety record criteria, but the "gp" doesn't. So the company has to carry THAT stain around. When the accident at TTD happened, not many would associate that with knotts or over Georgia. I know it has a huge brand recognition, but if I were in a decision making position, i'd want to walk away from the name quickly.

They must have got one heck of a deal on it, or RMC is trying to take a loss in order for potential future gain. I'm not certain how roller coasters are "paid off" in the real world. And each manufacturer is different. Like with Orion, B&M certainly didn't charge KI $30 million. They likely got design, engineering, consult fees, etc. Then the park paid out the trades...footers, erectors, plumbing, electrical and so on. But did the park take out a loan for the projected depreciation of the coaster? Did they have $30m sitting around for the project in an interest bearing account? So with AF1, what if RMC took the balance owed from Fun spot to their assumed creditors, worked it out with Six Flags and Fun spot to make that the purchase price ( just for numbers sake, say 8m) and gave six flags a substantial discount for fees to move it and reassemble with modifications? Steele Vengeance has been an expensive coaster to maintain from what I hear. The carpenters are constantly replacing wood due to the stresses. I've heard Railblazer was problematic ( and Fiesta Texas had to close theirs for quite a while for modifications). So Cedar Fair wasn't happy with the company. AF1 is a completely steel coaster, so even with relocation, it's likely to be less problematic than those two. Hence, a good chance for RMC to attempt to work on the relationship.

I haven't seen the release as it's been a busy work day. Whichever park gets this, I hope they don't ask the manufacturer to completely redo the ride, only as much as is necessary. SV has been such a maintenance load, and I'd conjecture that many of the issues were with Cedar Fair wanting so much stuff AND a completely new train design. From a non engineer perspective: change what needs to be changed with the elevation and hopefully allow it to run three trains if feasible.

Or that they have paid their direct tv bill.

I think that is what he said.

I wonder if the genius(s) that thought the brand recognition of the Six Flags name was worth keeping are regretting that or laughing as they float in their golden parachutes? Several people in my sphere asked me about the X2 situation and have told me never to ride a roller coaster again. The media reports Ive seen here, rarely say MAGIC MOUNTAIN but always say Six Flags. Oh, and I listened to a podcast yesterday on the way home from work, apparently KI's PR person is based out of California but is responsible for KI, KD, Cwinds and Canada. Make it make sense.

https://youtube.com/shorts/PUY2pYWZHvM?is=nNxFOVS_XckOxwiX

WinterFest lights are either going up in the trees, or getting tested if they were never taken down. Anyone here know why the Snoopy webcam is off?

How would the discussion go if they moved to Toronto? :)

If anyone here missed the Python from Coney, head on down to the Kentucky State Fair. I read yesterday that it is now on the travel circuit.

How perfectly said. I had the same impression. But I went several years ago, so I want to be more specific: pre herschend KK. Fun, charming in ways, but small.

Amen. There are also things that make it logistically prohibitive. Too many hidden areas for security to patrol. Ongoing costs of keeping theming working and light bulbs burning. But if the concept was scaled back it would solve so many of the existing missing pieces. I can't imagine the work that went into the series.

I was going down the KI YouTube algorithm and saw this. I thought it great that someone took the time to make this series and design a new land.

I didn't say that HFE would invest in major thrill ride(s) if they acquired KI. Everything in this industry is cyclical. Outside of of Universal, to specifically include regional parks, the business model is family. Look at the mainstream capital spending. Outliers like Tormenta and that Canada coaster I can't recall the name of, has been family-centered. That's what brings in the dollars. At some point in time, major thrill coasters will be en vouge. Unfortunately for Kings Island, I think most of the thrill rides will go to select LSF parks because of the lack of investment there, on a very targeted basis. If there is another sell off of parks from Six Flags, I would venture a guess that a flagship ready park would have to be included, similar to how enchanted/EPR wanted St Louis. That park would most likely be Dominion but you never know. I think HFE is maxed out, myself. But I have no idea of their financials and their ability to take on more assets and debt. Stranger things have happened, but I never thought I would see people on kic choose Six Flags to run the park than HFE Maybe they swap KI for KK lol

If HFE somehow absorbed Kings Island, it would likely be another diamond in the crown. It's too big, it makes too much money, and it has a huge generational pass base. They would do what they could to make it a resort, even though Cincinnati isn't a destination city like Gatlinburg or Joplin.

Just don't put your data center on my farmland!

I wonder why Six Flags is not using the naming convention for National Roller Coaster Day? They are calling it National Coaster Day on their socials. Is a trend amongst the TikTok generation to shorten names? Does the social media lead and/or committee not know what the naming convention is? Is it purposely done to assert dominance? Or does it really matter?

Do they have to have some sort of training about safe food handling?

Very smart to screenshot it.