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joker's jinx at six flags america. in this picture you can see where the mid-course brake run would be if it was Flight of Fear (the part of track with the circle things around it) and you can see that there isn't a catwalk or any wiring for brakes. http://rcdb.com/544.htm?p=524 Joker's Jinx also uses 2 trains, whereas FoF uses 3 trains. Yes, I did use RCDB as a resource. And while their data may not be 100% accurate, it is the best source of facts that I can find. And for my own information; do you happen to know of another/ better resource?

^ Which FoF clone does not have a MCBR?

Nope, no clue. How about some clarification and details. A rides' popularity cannot be determined by how long the line is. Variables such as: crew dispatches, guests being familiar with the entering/ exiting of the ride- which will have an effect on the MCBR, maintenance, and compliments vs. complaints factor popularity much more than line length. FYI- Beast is 7359' long with a duration of 4:10. SoB is 7032' long with a duration of 2:20. You drew yourself the arguement, and obviously you don't understand why trims are necessary, or you wouldn't be so against them. Perhaps once you realize that it costs the park money for maintenance, look past your individual feelings about trims, and understand that not everyone wants to have shaken adult syndrome you can have a constructive conversation on how rides actually work. Rides are there for the majority, not the minority.

^^ Beast has always had trims. The new magnetic trims started in 2002 after the minor accident in 2001. Other numerous trim brake (beating dead horse) discussions: http://www.KICentral.com/forums/index.php?...=magnetic+trims http://www.KICentral.com/forums/index.php?...=magnetic+trims

I have no idea what this means. You can never determine a ride's popularity by how long the line is. There are too many variables that go into why a line is long. And even at that, comparing SoB's line to that of Beast is certainly comparing apples to oranges. SoB has 2 trains @ 24 ppl/ train. Beast has 3 trains @ 36 ppl/ train. Trim brakes are there for a reason. You may not like tham, or understand them, but just watch the CET video and observe what park employees said about Beast before the ride was slowed down.

You may feel different if you did ride it. And remember, if the park did put more time, effort, (and most importantly) money into SoB again, that would take away from other things or new things at the park. When it comes down to MS, the biggest problem is the bottom of the first drop tearing itself apart. How can they re-engineer the one element of the ride that (putting it into a simple term) makes it "go"?

I'm not too sure if I would call it a success, and if you really want to call it a success, it's not a ride I would boast about. And while you did bring up unique points, you can bring up points just like those with pretty much every park that has new rides.

^ I am hoping for better weather during the 2009 Halloween season so that my family can enjoy the parks more than we did this past summer (if you want to call it a summer). As far as the parks' plan in 2011, that is 20 months away. Let's get through fall of '09 first.

Wow. That's a tough read. I wish to thank you. You have confirmed my belief that just because a cartoon is on 24/7, does not make it better. Grab a book, and read. Get away from SpongeBob.

I can guarantee that the loop will not be returning. You don't re-engineer to remove a section, and then re-engineer again to remove another section and add original failed section. There is no sense in wasting more money on it.

You shouldn't take it personally, there is nothing personal about it. Some people don't like Beast. But when I was 6 in the summer of '79, Beast was king, and still is today. And the only coaster that comes close to it is MF. Now I have been on Voyage, El Toro and Raven, and Beast is still tops in my book. Take Terpy and I. I personally adore AC at BGE, and for him it's, meh. I also don't find Magnum that great of a ride. Good? Yes. Great? No. And for most, it's one of the best. How you feel about a ride is usually determined with that first ride you take on it. Seldom does my mind change after that initial ride.

Ravine Flyer II made the list from little Waldameer in Erie, PA. I can remember back in the 80's when the best ride Waldameer had was the Wacky Shack. Oh, how the times have changed.

Some other discussions: http://www.KICentral.com/forums/index.php?...ic=12615&hl

Hurler would win because SoB would be SBNO.

Meh, awards. At least this year had a decent change of pace.

Because the younger fans of KI (and please, I'm not trying to insult anyone) don't realize that prior to Nick, KI already had arguably the best kids area anyway for many years. If you disagree, that's ok. But just take a look at the CET video on the planning and early years of KI. It is mentioned numerous times on how the park was literally planned around Hanna-Barbera Land.

Some of the best dives I have ever been on has been on a cruise vacation! But I getcha'.

^ But having a passport does have it's advantages. You can always make that "impulse" trip, and not necessarily to a park. Go down to Miami and hit a cruise ship that is not full & is just about to leave port. You can save a ton of $$: in the 70-80% range. And if you happen to ever lose your wallet with all your ID, a passport is handy to have. (see Griswald; Clark)

Still, my personal absolute favorite. I think WooferBear's too.

http://www.usatoday.com/travel/2009-09-08-borders_N.htm I wonder how bad this affected CW combined with the weather & economy.

Even still, that is nuts. That is like ordering a burger, and there is an upcharge for the meat.

^ That reminds me of: Tommy Boy is a classic!

^ Yeah, so familes arn't going to theme parks, they are going to the Mall of America. I can't see how he can associate MoA with their project in NO.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/travel/attr...story?track=rss

http://www.wwltv.com/topstories/stories/ww....15ef74306.html