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You shouldn't take it personally, there is nothing personal about it. Some people don't like Beast. But when I was 6 in the summer of '79, Beast was king, and still is today. And the only coaster that comes close to it is MF. Now I have been on Voyage, El Toro and Raven, and Beast is still tops in my book. Take Terpy and I. I personally adore AC at BGE, and for him it's, meh. I also don't find Magnum that great of a ride. Good? Yes. Great? No. And for most, it's one of the best. How you feel about a ride is usually determined with that first ride you take on it. Seldom does my mind change after that initial ride.

Ravine Flyer II made the list from little Waldameer in Erie, PA. I can remember back in the 80's when the best ride Waldameer had was the Wacky Shack. Oh, how the times have changed.

Some other discussions: http://www.KICentral.com/forums/index.php?...ic=12615&hl

Hurler would win because SoB would be SBNO.

Meh, awards. At least this year had a decent change of pace.

Because the younger fans of KI (and please, I'm not trying to insult anyone) don't realize that prior to Nick, KI already had arguably the best kids area anyway for many years. If you disagree, that's ok. But just take a look at the CET video on the planning and early years of KI. It is mentioned numerous times on how the park was literally planned around Hanna-Barbera Land.

Some of the best dives I have ever been on has been on a cruise vacation! But I getcha'.

^ But having a passport does have it's advantages. You can always make that "impulse" trip, and not necessarily to a park. Go down to Miami and hit a cruise ship that is not full & is just about to leave port. You can save a ton of $$: in the 70-80% range. And if you happen to ever lose your wallet with all your ID, a passport is handy to have. (see Griswald; Clark)

Still, my personal absolute favorite. I think WooferBear's too.

http://www.usatoday.com/travel/2009-09-08-borders_N.htm I wonder how bad this affected CW combined with the weather & economy.

Even still, that is nuts. That is like ordering a burger, and there is an upcharge for the meat.

^ That reminds me of: Tommy Boy is a classic!

^ Yeah, so familes arn't going to theme parks, they are going to the Mall of America. I can't see how he can associate MoA with their project in NO.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/travel/attr...story?track=rss

http://www.wwltv.com/topstories/stories/ww....15ef74306.html

I haven't been to every water park, so I'm no expert, but I have never seen anything so ridiculous. If you don't rent a tube, can you still use the "LAZY" river by walking it? Thanks for the heads-up. I would not deal with something like that very quietly. EDIT: I can't find anything on their website that communicates an upcharge for tube rental. http://www.zoombezibay.com/attractions.aspx

Not for a lack of trying, though. That is like pumping a dry well.

If the people wouldn't pay for it, it wouldn't cost so much. While I hate that saying myself, it is the truth. Even this year when I went to the Browns pre-season games (which are full price for 1/2 talent-or less- on the field) I noticed the prices. $7.00 for a draft beer $8.50 for a mixed drink $5.00 for a regular sized hot dog- I got sick when I saw that $5.00 for a large pop $7.00 for a "bottomless" tub of popcorn $12.00 for a steak sandwich Yeah, just like the parks we go to, we bring lunch & drinks with us to the game.

I don't see it as hipocrisy from the park, as there is clear communication (just like when people that have medical conditions don't believe the warnings prior to riding a thrill ride) to what you are paying for prior to entering. They leave the decision in the hands of the parents as to what their kids can handle. Some kids that are 8 years old, and have the size of a 13 year old, and the maturity of a 13 year old, can handle it. While other kids can be 13, and have the maturity of a 5 year old. Who else besides the parent knows the kid better as to what they can handle. I have been to the Haunt numerous times and overheard park employees voice their concerns to parents, and the parents simply blow them off with the attitude- "It's my kid, I'll raise my kid how I see fit." You can't fix stupid.

I would have to say, it was probably a bad year for most places. Even taking the economy out of the picture, I cannot remember a worse weather summer than this year. And look at it now: sunny, humid, temps in the mid to upper 70's. Even my friend that is a grape farmer is very concerned about his crop. Worried about the damage from a late frost in early May, but also worried about the amount of rain- which causes disease & mildew, and the lack of heat & sun which does not get the natural sugar "brix" level where it is suppose to be. Bad weather is the last thing parks needed this summer.

It does not matter to my family what the kids' area is theme with. My kids have fun at any park, even parks that do not have a specific theme for their kids area (i.e. BGE, Hershey, KennyWood, Waldameer etc.) Personally, I'm glad Nick is moving out and Peanuts are coming in. I am not too fond of some of the 'toons Nick shows. My kids already know what the Peanuts are all about as we will read the comics together, and we have all the holiday specials on DVD. And for the parents worried about your kids not knowing about Peanuts; go to Barnes and Noble and pick up some of the Peanuts comic books and read them together with your kids. You will find that reading with your kids is more rewarding than watching Nick with them.

SoB was already redesigned. And comparing a redesigned successful steel coaster to a redesigned failed wood coaster is as night and day difference as you can get.

What are the details of why you feel that way?

I agree that many people are sue happy, but, SoB has gained a reputation that is well deserved. We are not talking about an isolated incident.

My own experience: My family has been going to parks like KI since I was very young. We would go to multiple parks every year. Then as got older, I made a point to experience as many parks as I could. My wife feels the same way and enjoys parks & roller coasters as much as I do. Now I am not going to proclaim myself a "coaster" expert, but I base my feelings/ opinions on the ride compared to the other rides we have been on. SoB is absolutely the worst ride I have ever been on. It is the first ride that I have ever said, "Ok, we don't need to ride that again today." It is also the first ride that I had to take a break from riding other rides for a while after I got off the first time. And take a step back and look at the big picture. People go on rides everyday all over the World with an unknown medical conditions. Yet, it seems that everytime someone gets hurt while riding SoB, that is the reason. And while it is probably the exact reason why someone gets hurt, why is SoB always at the center of attention?