silver2005

I want Invertigo, but I'm not sure how willing Vekoma would be to make up new trains with their vest system, especially for such a rare model.

There have been quite a few parks with both observation towers and Ferris wheels. Its not like they can't coexist. Ferris wheel's views are more fleeting for people who may not want to stay up high for extended periods of time and the ride motion is relaxing.

The 'normal' that was pre-covid is gone IMO, even when we're through with it.

^Are we really doing this again? Show your work. I think you're just messing with us every time you come up with some witty information and fail to provide sources just to have us ask you time after time to do so. A No Limits design doesn't count.

If you mean that Arrow was trying to initially design suspended coasters with inversions, you'd be correct. Whether or not they'd be put in Bat on initial designs seems a bit out of the loop when KI probably didn't know what they had when trying to get the first suspended coaster.

The world's tallest coaster is a parking lot coaster.... I don't see Scream leaving SFMM anytime soon. I'll add one to the deadpool list- Flash: Vertical Velocity (the hacked Impulse because they didn't pay attention to the height restrictions) at SFDK.

Wouldn't it depend on the park's address, not the fact its in 2 states? Do they have an actual SC address?

I first rode Vortex at night in either 1995 or 1996 (followed by my first Beast night ride, the first ride I had on it where I liked it). It was kind of the gateway for me getting into bigger coasters, especially since my first CP visit was in 1999, and without getting the nerve riding Vortex, I probably wouldn't have ridden half of the coasters at CP at the time, and then finding my inner enthusiast a year later when I was introduced to Medusa at NJFTP. It was great finally getting over that fear and I loved every ride on it thereafter. I really enjoyed riding it either first thing in the morning on a clear day or at dusk. Dusk rides in 1-1 were awesome on a hot day since the nose kind of pushes cooler air into you making it really enjoyable to me. I also went on a 6 ride marathon on a P&G day a few years after my first in 6-2 without leaving my seat (when that used to be a thing). Rode it in the Ron Toomer seat (5-1) for my last ride. Really miss seeing it apart of the park's skyline, seeing it when riding Beast on the 2nd lift and sitting on the final brakes listening to that classic Arrow chain lift, the chasers on the lift, miss getting close to the batwing, the inversions, the swoop over Rivertown, and the air on one of the most amazing first drops anywhere.

The only way I see GL surviving is if SIX never purchased them and overbuilt there to keep it as a small niche park, and even that's a stretch.

I only rode SOB in 1-1 and 1-2 most of the time as they were slightly more comfortable. It was mostly just jarring jackhammering on the helices and that last bit before the final brakes. The pre-lift and the few straighter drops it had (the first drop, the drop off the MCBR and the drop before the final brakes) weren't bad, but just forceless due to being drawn out. I'd put it above Voyage and Mean Streak for sure on the roughness scale. The Rose Bowl felt like riding a coaster attached to a jackhammer. The second helix was basically the lite version of the first but still awful. The Premier restraints did it no favors. The Gerstlauers made things worse because they bounced WAY more due to being lighter and made it more boring because it seemed to barely get over hills. Those trains, BTW, were not new Gerstlauer trains designed for SOB. They were lightly retrofitted G-trains (I'm probably being generous saying they were changed all that much aside from the new colors) from a defunct wooden coaster known as Hurricane from Myrtle Beach Pavillion, which makes the 'rehab' CF did to it all the more questionable.

^I think another reason it was stretched out was so they could give it the length to be the 2nd longest wooden coaster in the world (both the length and the use of helices were inspired by the father). I just don't get how you put in so few elements in a coaster that's over 7000 ft long. Most steel hypers aren't that long and have more meat to their layouts than Son of Beast did.

While I used to work at Coaster-Net, I did an editorial on Son of Beast after stumbling on the forensics report from the 2006 accident (the comments by the forensics person were scathing in combination with the evidence, both physical evidence and SOB's maintenance history) and learning more about the 2009 accident to piece together its history more. After that, I can't bring myself to miss it even though I somewhat enjoyed it in my early teens (I was 13 when it opened). To me, its a ride that shouldn't have opened in the condition it did and is a stain on Paramount's legacy that I won't forgive them for. I am irked at CF a little for thinking they could try and redeem it as short lived as that experiment was. Glad there's a really good inverted coaster in its place.

You could hear the train cresting the lift from the parking tolls.

I'm thinking it was before 2002 as I don't see the Tomb Raider building.

All the elements were drawn out so there was no sense of airtime to be had. Mostly positive G's, which is a bad sign on a wooden coaster. The helices were where most of the harsher roughness lied. The first drop was alright, though it needed drive tires to actually get over the crest of the swoop. The loop was smooth due to it being steel. Only got worse with switching out the Premier trains with the Gerstlauers. It felt like it likely would have stalled in high winds. Tis why you don't let engineers who primarily design steel coasters to design wooden ones. Even if RMC could have saved it, they'd be hard pressed to make it good using such a boring layout.

I think Timberwolf's future needs to be addressed as well.

Soak City and Action Zone specifically are in desperate need of more shade.

Repaving the parking lot.

I'd love to ride me one of these. Kind of a Top Spin meets tower. The programable part is intriguing. I wonder how they plan on that since most 4D tech involves either free spinning or the 4 rail design of early 4D coasters like X2.

Beast is definitely my favorite in the park, especially with the movie stylized lettering, the symmetry, and how the park went out of their way to give The Beast arms definition on the sign. I always imagine that image when its going into the helix tunnels, especially the first time around. It looks like a movie poster.

I liked the original Outer Limits: Flight of Fear logo. Kept in style with the ride (especially if you were around for the build up to it when it opened). Has a lot of a Star Wars look with a bit of creepiness with the coloring and the speed-style letters of Flight of Fear. The video in the building is a nice kind of transition from the hype around then to actually riding the thing, particularly with this being the world's introduction to LIM technology and the kind of things it could mean for coasters (we got the first 100 mph coasters a year later with LSM technology). The 80s and 90s were a great time to be an enthusiast with the leaps in technology that happened. silver2005, a coaster/park history buff.

They probably don't have it yet because they were anticipating no Haunt due to COVID-19. No Haunt=no Vortex tombstone.

This is actually one of my favorite small parks now and is very underrated. Its an easy park to just take your time and enjoy things. The ride line up isn't too shabby either and some of the architecture kind of gives it its own character, especially the arcade by the lake and the Dodgems building. Also, Shivering Timbers is amazing in the front seat. Corkscrew is actually kind of fun as well for what it is. Wolverine Wildcat is a simple re-tracking away from being good. silver2005, who hopes to return next year along side a trip to Sandusky and possibly Erie.

The sooner you let him go and treat him for the brick wall he is, the better your sanity will be.

MF's also track better because the wheels are more articulated than on PTC's. More shuffling going on with multi-bench cars. I do have a thought that is a bit interesting, but also a bit blasphemous- would MF's be able to make the circuit on Beast? Also, could GCI do more than 12 car trains?