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I should also add that even with Firehawk's former footprint, they'll still need some more room for a decent size B&M of any type.

^Yes, but also remember that B&M uses few support beams on their giga lifts. They might be able to bridge over some of that using few supports. Also, we haven't seen what the area around AE looks like yet.

To be fair, most of the land around the FoF building and Adventure Express is pretty cleared away already. If a giga were to start there, you won't be seeing the heavy duty supports until you get out by AE, thus they wouldn't need to clear much away as is.

^Creed is just pointing out the bad grammar, like in most of his posts.

And as I said, there are other options to consider. You can't keep such an intense focus on only wanting to discuss adding this particular ride and expect a decent conversation. Think outside the box, do some research on other dark ride options- like, you could fit a custom indoor coaster in there as well or a better quality themed flat ride similar to what Tomb Raider was meant to be. You could also cut holes in the box and thread track through tunnels a la Disaster Transport with a custom tracked dark ride, wild mouse or a spinning coaster, or maybe something like Wonder Mountain's Guardian at Canada's Wonderland. Maybe a custom Premier Sky Rocket II or a Mack launch coaster with indoor sections and interacts with Diamondback and/or Mystic Timbers. You're limiting your ideas and the conversation by just focusing on the Madhouse concept and not acknowledging other ideas.

@Cedar Fair Fanboy the problem with this conversation is that you're trying to present this ride as a kind of end-all be-all kind of ride when there are plenty of other options out there to consider.

Riding Top Gun at night back then was the best.

CW also had to partially dismantle Vortex to start Yukon construction.

What are the actual opening years for the relocated Coney Island rides (Monster, Scrambler, RFYLCB, etc)?

@pianoman will never leave I-Street.

And since when does Soak City have a big wooden fence on its entire perimeter?

Knott's comes to mind for me. Its a really diverse line up with some decent theming and models you don't see a lot of in the rest of the United States, probably due to their niche in the SoCal market.

Heck of a storm going through KI right now. Horizontal rain and hail on the webcams.

I'd like to see Sally or someone do something with Boo Blasters before anything is done with the Crypt building if we're talking dark rides.

I think the default with B&M sit down looping coasters is to automatically upgrade them to floorless since they haven't been hired to build a sit down looper in decades (LZ was their last build of that model).

I would like to express appreciation in that the staff here is more transparent and thorough in explanations than other coaster fan sites.

I think the 'hiding' of information is more due to the park catering to their bigger demographic in the GP. The GP aren't all that interested in the park during the off season. Sure, the park does utilize social media, but that's part of the PR department's job in an era where the internet is a HUGE part of the way society functions. Most news outlets don't cover anything about the park until within a month before the park opens (probably closer to a week or two before opening day). There's really not that much demand this year since the park's additions and upgrades aren't on par with a year where they add a new coaster. Like, really, is the rest of the tri-state area really clamoring for this information right now, especially right now during one of the biggest sports months for the area both with March Madness and Reds Opening Day (aka, Cincinnati's own holiday) coming up? Also, how much money are you guys dumping into getting few pictures via airplane? Is it really worth all that? It seems like going extraordinarily out of your way just to say you're that guy who got the information first.

I will say the hills around DB's splash could use some touch up on the paint.

IIRC, there was a season or 2 where Vortex's paint was worn away down to the primer, which is a pretty good indicator that it wasn't painted every other year. KC's paint quality left a lot to be desired, too, for most seasons at least. And let's not even get started on Racer. That probably hasn't been touched up since the KECO days.

For B&M flyers, I've only ridden Superman: Ultimate Flight at Six Flags Great Adventure, which currently is my least favorite B&M, but I'm willing to hold reservation on judging them as a whole since I haven't been on the bigger and/or more elaborate designs like Manta or Tatsu (the later has some other features outside the flying design which look appealing to me). On the other hand, I really liked Firehawk, though, I preferred sitting on the brake run and going up the lift on the B&M version than the Vekoma version. My only complaint on the B&M flyer restraints are the leg restraints, mainly as I'm not a fan of any form of leg/shin restraints. In terms of other models, I think a B&M floorless is entirely plausible, too.

There's no way that top piece on Drop Tower is 51 ft above where the ride vehicle stops (if you guys are saying the dropping point is at 264 ft and the tower is 315 ft tall).

^I've read the forensics report from the 2006 accident before it disappeared from the internet, at least the non-engineering focused parts I could understand. It was made clear in it that the park took a 'band-aid' approach to fixes in the track and structure and the park and/or RCCA used bad wood to construct the ride. The park also did all fixes in house and didn't consult a third party to fix it. That's negligence.

For me, any and all good memories I had on SOB were shattered when it hurt all those people and it was made clear that those who ran the park during the Paramount era were neglectful about the ride.

Since most of, if not, all of it's structure would have needed to be replaced, would that really be 'saving' it? Would it be considered 'saved' if a ground-up woodie or RMC that started from the SOB station were built instead of Banshee? I'm confident in guessing that the park still wouldn't have named it Son of Beast to alleviate confusion among the GP. Heck, some GP think Mystic Timbers is SOB re-located and/or re-named from the Paramount era.

How have you been here as long as you have and realize that is certainly not the case? Did you not read the bazillion of other topics involving Son of Beast around here? It's pretty naive to start with that premise.