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Also a small stage at the Biergarten behind burrito shack.

Eh, looks like rain moving back in. Maybe try later this week. Sounds like a less that great time right now.

Busy up there? Might run up for a few hrs this eve as long as rain holds off might keep people away a bit.

Seriously thought that. They think that maybe pushing that message out only to pass holders, it will avoid an “after work” rush on Friday and minimize late afternoon arrivals on Sat, then by not putting it out there too much, they can “extend” the day if all is going well to keep the rack rate paying guests happy. Will be interesting to see if that’s how it plays out. There has to be a strategy behind this.

I agree with all that. I just think it would come off better if they would publicly say that instead of... nothing. Still nothing on social about the time change, and website says nothing other than if you go through all the steps to get to the calendar, that’s been updated. No banner or notice on the hone page.

I think they would LOVE to staff. I don’t think it’s their choice to not now. It’s the inability to recruit staff.

So agree. That area has SO lost its focus.

WITHDRAWL. ok. Now it makes sense! I thought we were going to be talking about a retheme Lol!!

like dressing the “wave maker” and the lookout into more of an industrial “factory” look or lumber mill. I thought even if they dressed it to reference the Peter’s factory over on the river, it would bring some local lore to the ride and would necessitate making it “pretty”, just more logical why there is a big machine in the middle of the woods at the edge of the river.

I wish they would actually repair the physical structure of the final lift. Major sections of “rock” are missing, and as much as I love physical effects, they could do wonders with some relatively inexpensive projection mapping in the final (and actually all) tunnels that would be easier to maintain. The fist two tunnels need at least a little light to see what’s going on in them.

It was pretty bad last Saturday. I’d say this one will be the same or worse.

I totally dig this idea. It would be such a logical flow.

They are there.

Oh i agree. The asphalt was terrible. Just miss the lamps and how it truly gave it a street feel.

That overhead shot once again makes me question the paver design of the redo last year. I know actual curbs will never come back, but the Pavers could’ve been used to recreate this look instead of the “trees in the middle of a skinny road” they came up with. Also don’t understand why the lampposts weren’t returned.

Right, that’s why I was asking the price. Sorry my wording was confusing. 13.99 -14.99 sounds about right.

Anyone know how much if not on dining plan?

So there’s been this thing called a pandemic???? It kinda hurt their numbers a bit this year and they might be scaling back on big spending.

I agree to both actually. I think the goal would be better designed scare zones that can play both roles. I think pumpkin eater is a good example. During the day it reads as a pumpkin display but at night transforms. The Pirate ship could be the same if they moved it more where the Viking Fury is - during the day it could be "friendly pirates" that transition at night. Revolving panels, doors that flip open etc could be used for all of these to make more family friendly during the day. I think they've already moved more to that by eliminating some of the dismembered bodies and gore junk just thrown around.

That’s assuming they did have limited time to plan. This may have been in the works fir a while and they just held off on marketing it until they knew the status of haunt and even their ability to do this event. I don’t think it was only planned as it was announced. also, we have no idea what may have been I. Store for Winterfest food-wise, and while I am bummed it isn’t happening, I think a watered down event wouldn’t do justice to that brand. I fear December’s outlook is very hard to guess right now with schools returning, flu hitting and people moving more indoors. But I do hope next years Winterfest is a blow out!!

Can you explain further? I’m not sure I get the correlation.

This is why franchise agreements with national brands are bad. I’m sure they have to let auntie Anna and Cinnabon be the only game in the park.

Isn't that basically what I said? And DisneyLAND does rely on APs a lot more than WDW. Many think to the detriment of the park. They have upped the cost and added the restrictions over the past year (not that those matter as much now, but...) but they still provide a source of lower, steady income. Sorry if I didn't phrase my initial statement well. I wasn't implying APs don't add to the bottom line, its just as you said at a longer term level. Thats why Im glad they are looking for a mixed portfolio of ways to bring guests back again.

Totally agree, and they do make money off of them, but not the same way as the “immediate positive cash flow” as the gate purchasers. We AP guests are like a slow drip IV of cash (why the push the payment plan so much) and the family of 4 that buys tickets for a day, eats 2 meals in the park, snacks, games and souvenirs is like the jolt of caffeine. You couldn’t survive well with just one or the other, but for APs to feel like they should “call the shots” is silly. The park is (I feel) developing a well-balanced approach to driving repeat visits, increasing in-park spending, and maximizing Capitol investments that are impressive to the general public.

Right. Pass holders are a valuable customer segment , but have to realize they often COST more than they MAKE. It’s a balancing act keeping them happy, returning and SPENDING but also not having them flood the park, inflate crowds and create a bad guest experience (read “I’m not spending any more money HERE”) for people paying hate admission.