buchers Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 Not to mention, who would not purchase a season pass just because they had prior knowledge that HH was going to be an upcharge evet?(IF it is even going to be an upcharge) I wouldn't buy passes for my famimly if I knew HH was going to be an upcharge event. We usually go very early in the season 2 or 3 times, skip the Summer months because it is so busy and hot, and finish up the season by going to FearFest (now Halloween Haunt) every weekend. We go more in October than the entire rest of the season!! Being busy in Oct doesn't bother me at all because we usually just ride coasters then. Last year almost everything was walk-on, longest we waited was for Face Off and that was only 10 minutes, it was great! We hit the scare zones, which all suck except for Cornstalkers, and the Headless Hollow or whatever it was called last year. I love the haunted houses but love riding the coasters more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teenageninja Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 I hope they upcharge it this year, the two years it was an upcharge were it's best. That's just my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKIDelirium Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 There were three upcharge years. 2000, 2001, and 2002. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoddaH1994 Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 I can tell Ryan is getting frustrated NOT being able to tell us what the park has planned in order to calm us down...I bet he's just counting down the minutes until the KI makes their official announcement. Actually, all of the information I have given you was 100% current as of Friday. The reason why I have ephasized that "If" in question whether or not there will be an upcharge is because that decision had not been made. Has it been made in the past 4 days? Maybe maybe not. However, I was assurred by the 'powers that be' that IF there is a charge for Halloween Haunt, you will NOT be dissappointed by the results. Despite common beleif, Cedar Fair is looking after you with this. They want a bigger, better, badder event and they don't want you to have to wait for 5 hours for Club Blood. Also, the reason why they changed the name was to accommodate the fact that the event is a whole new level this year. People would assocate the term "Fear Fest" as seeing the same things they had seen for the past decade, but this is NOT the case. I'm not asking you guys to embrace anything, just put yourselves in "wait and see" mode. Ryan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browntggrr Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 I wouldn't buy passes for my famimly if I knew HH was going to be an upcharge event. We usually go very early in the season 2 or 3 times, skip the Summer months because it is so busy and hot, and finish up the season by going to FearFest (now Halloween Haunt) every weekend. That is your choice. But your family would only enjoy KI once during the year then. Anything more than one time, is really just a waste of money w/o season passes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastersRZ Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 But see, Cedar Fair wants to have less season pass holders at the former Paramount Parks and more general admission customers. Why? Because when guests spend $40 to get into the parks, they will generally stay all day, and not leave the park to get food elsewhere for cheaper. As a result, they will pay the high prices of food while inside the park, padding the per capita spending numbers Cedar Fair likes. Also, if a guest without a season pass visits the park twice, that means that the park will bring in more money off of admissions, then had they bought a season pass. Lets face it, most season pass holders who go to the parks rarely will spend an entire day at the park, and rarely will they eat two full meals at the park. However, if you are one of those people that only makes one trek to Kings Island a year, you will likely be at the park from open until close, and spending lots of money inside the gates. And, it will be interesting to see how many changes are applied to the "old" houses that remain from FearFest. While there may be some changes made to those haunts, I`d have to imagine that the basic elements of some of the haunts will remain unchanged from past FearFests. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hauntguy Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 ^ Some haunts may stay unchanged... for example, Circus of Horrors! Of course, one major change they could do is PUT ACTORS IN IT! LOL! Also, just because people spend all day in the park doesn't mean they'll spend a dime in it! I have not spent one PENNY this season on games, gifts, etc. And only about $20 ALL SEASON for food. I would not be shocked if 99.9% of ALL park goers now leave the park and tailgate for lunch/dinner... or leave and go somewhere off property to eat! Also... I can't wait until Fearfest! -Hauntguy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKIDelirium Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 Maybe they'll eliminate the stupid hands-on-shoulders chains and let you walk through as a normal group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hauntguy Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 I don't think so... that's actually for yours and our protection! Keeps your hands off the sets and actors and lets keep judgement of the group and group size! I don't think it's going anywhere! -Hauntguy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browntggrr Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 But see, Cedar Fair wants to have less season pass holders at the former Paramount Parks and more general admission customers. Yes the park will make less money with season pass holders than your typical one day guest. Especially those who live>.5 hrs. from the park. But the advantage of selling passes early (end of '07 for '08) is; income is being generated with minimal overhead for the park. Think of it this way, instead of the money sitting in your savings account making money, it's going to sit in CF's account making money. Now come 2008, the park has no idea what day the season pass holder will be a guest, but it doesn't matter. The overhead cost will still be the same because all the rides will be powered up, chain lifts running etc. Now IF CF decides to have an upcharge for HH for 2007, but if you purchase a 2008 season pass it's free, then the park can make an educated guess on what the attenance figures for HH will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIfan73 Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 I just read on PKI.com that all events are FREE with park admission (they include HH). Looks like its free again this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarketingExpress Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 I just read on PKI.com that all events are FREE with park admission (they include HH). Looks like its free again this year. How about posting the link where you found that, if it is even true. I just went on the HH homepage on KIs website and it says "ticket info coming soon" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleHenry Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 I just read on PKI.com that all events are FREE with park admission (they include HH). Looks like its free again this year. You probably read that all SHOWS are free with park admission (Ice show, twistin to the 60's, etc) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarketingExpress Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 ^That's true...if "All events" were included in the admission price, then everyone that bought a ticket could go to the Timberwolf shows free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeLorean Rider Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 Does Knotts upcharge for their Halloween Haunt? Either way it seems that that would be a pretty good indicator. http://www1.cedarfair.com/kingsisland/events/events.cfm I believe this is the page he is refering to. It is true that no where on that page, nor on the page once you click the HH link does it say anything about an upcharge, but then again this is Cedar Fair we're talking about... As Ryan's info says that the "powers the be" are still deliberating, I believe we should wait it out before coming to any conclusions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JjAmSaOnN Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 I just read on PKI.com that all events are FREE with park admission (they include HH). Looks like its free again this year. This link? http://www3.cedarfair.com/kingsisland/even...ts.cfm?ec_id=15 note it says All events are FREE with park admission unless otherwise noted. However keep this in mind, when is the last time they have kept these pages updated and in the event details there is a link to the homepage in which there is ticket information coming soon. So in other words, it will be specified later. wait and see. I don't think a little line at the top of a general events page is enough to say its free Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoddaH1994 Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 Again, for the 1000th time, a decision has not been made yet. I promise. I swear on The Beast. I swear on my leather customized fanny pack. Don't pouch for clues around PKI.com, you're not going to get any definite answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
standbyme Posted August 29, 2007 Author Share Posted August 29, 2007 I promise. I swear on The Beast. I wish you would of swore on SOB...then I wished that you were lieing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 DeLorean Rider: Knott's charges...and how. It has in the past been somewhat more than $40 and less than $50, depending on when/where you get your tickets. http://www.knotts.com/special_events/haunt/tickets.htm Then again, Knotts has one of the very best of these type of events anywhere. Quality costs...it is not free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIfan73 Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 Again, for the 1000th time, a decision has not been made yet. I promise. I swear on The Beast. I swear on my leather customized fanny pack. Don't pouch for clues around PKI.com, you're not going to get any definite answers. Well, when their website has a page that says that events are free with admission, and it shows HH underneath that heading, that tells me a decision has been made. Now, if they're going to possibly resort to playing games, changing their mind, and twisting their policies around after something's already been stated, thats another story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 You KEEP saying that but have yet to post a link. Where is this statement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIfan73 Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 http://www2.cedarfair.com/kingsisland/events/events.cfm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hauntguy Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 "All events are FREE with park admission unless otherwise noted. ".... This page also had the Freedom Concert and the Weird Al Concert, both WERE NOT FREE WITH PARK ADMISSION!!! So, just because HAUNT is on this page... don't trust that it'll be free with park admission. Please WAIT until KI release official information and I'm sure Ryan will have it on this forum as soon as he knows! Remember, websites take time to change... as posting news on this forum is instant! -Hauntguy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kman6 Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 I have no problem with an additional charge this year. Anything to keep the crowds down from the 2 hour wait for an attraction. Although I went on a Friday night last year when it rained all day and the park was nearly empty when the rain let up. But I don`t want to pray for rain so i can go back this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeLorean Rider Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 DeLorean Rider: Knott's charges...and how. It has in the past been somewhat more than $40 and less than $50, depending on when/where you get your tickets. http://www.knotts.com/special_events/haunt/tickets.htm Then again, Knotts has one of the very best of these type of events anywhere. Quality costs...it is not free. Thank you, I'm very unfamiliar with Knotts, other than the fact that the claim to be America's First Theme park... bunch of liars. If KI's Halloween Haunt is based on Knotts and they charge that much [$40-$50], I find it VERY hard to believe that there will not be an upcharge. My $0.02 with the aid of The Interpreter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 Cedar Fair has been making noises about this Halloween Haunt at Kings Island being FAR superior to FearFest...if it is, I can see them charging a reasonable amount for it...and I do believe that it being no additional charge for season pass holders has resulted in unreasonable crowds. But, if they do upcharge but don't deliver on their promises for a vastly superior event, the public will not soon forget. The damage to the park and its reputation could be quite long lasting. (Perhaps as long lasting as their overcharging for very poor quality food, often cold, delivered by surly or bored food service employees, but that's a topic for another thread). This is, as my boss so loves to say, an opportunity. With opportunity comes the possibility of great success or great failure. I doubt there is much in between.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastersRZ Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 Exactly. Charging for Halloween Haunt could make the overall guest experience far superior to what it was when it was included with park admission and season passes. However, if they charge TOO much or offer a product that is not substantially better than what FearFest was, the guests and general public will not be very forgiving, as the Interpreter stated. Lets not forget, that one of the problems that the park had with WinterFest, was that they overpriced the event, compared to comparable events, like the one across the freeway from Kings Island, where admission was less than half of what it cost to get into WinterFest. Even if the park charges $20 a head for Halloween Haunt, the value offered will be far superior to other haunts that are offered in the area, as others have previously stated. And the park should really clean up the wording on their event page. If they do decide to charge extra for Halloween Haunt, that phrase could cause confusion among park goers. I know that at Coney we had a complaint this past weekend because a guest thought that the height requirement for the Scream Machine was posted differently on Coney`s website than what was actually posted on the ride sign. (In this case, the guest was arguing that online it stated guests must be 40" to ride, when in actuality, guests must be 48" to ride.) Guests do read the park websites, and statements such as the one on KI`s website could cause issues without a clarifying statement by Halloween Haunt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeLorean Rider Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 Well reguardless, there are definately going to be people in october that are upset because Fearfest was free with admission. Whether they empty the park or what, anyone who paid to get in is going to be upset. Halloween Haunt better be pretty darn amazing to overcome the bitter taste from those who go to the park on saturday at 7:30 with their season pass only to find out that this year Halloween Haunt is $25 because its awesome. At that time, the park is going to have a very short time to convince those people that the money is worth it. Seems to me that the park is going to have to do some MAJOR advertising to let the public know, to avoid as many people with "fearfest is free" stuck in their heads from coming and getting a rude shock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarketingExpress Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 "All events are FREE with park admission unless otherwise noted. ".... This page also had the Freedom Concert and the Weird Al Concert, both WERE NOT FREE WITH PARK ADMISSION!!! So, just because HAUNT is on this page... don't trust that it'll be free with park admission. Please WAIT until KI release official information and I'm sure Ryan will have it on this forum as soon as he knows! Remember, websites take time to change... as posting news on this forum is instant! -Hauntguy KIFan73: You jumped the gun on this one before you took the time to research your so called finding. I hate to tell you but the page speaks for itself. As Hauntguy said it states "all events are free with park admission unless otherwise noted" which means you need to click on the link for HH which takes you to the main page of the HH website. If you click on ticket information, then you will see it says "Coming Soon" Like I said in another topic that is similar, Boddah1994 is great at getting out information to us on these forums, why should we doubt him now. Wait until the press release comes out, and then we will all know the truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flightoffear1996 Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 I wonder if you pay to get in the Halloween Haunt but say you didnt pay if you still be able to ride the rides? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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