Browntggrr Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 ^Yes, SoB was a major attraction in the park, but how long a line is does not determine how popular a ride is. Blocking, train capacity, dispatch times, single riders, time of day, ride placement, handicap riders, and uptime (and other contributing factors) will result in line length. Yes, people will run to the biggest ride near the park entrance when the park opens. This happens at many parks (i.e. Raptor @ CP, Apollo's Chariot @ BGE etc.) Think about why SoB is so mysterious. The loop removal, new trains, constant track modifications, constant issues, constant downtime, constant media attention. The ride has been a mystery since day one- you never know what you are gonna get. And consider the amount of downtime SoB has had since 2000. There have been many people that have not had the opportunity to actually ride SoB as they are only able to get to KI once a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofBeast07 Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 ^ yes i realize all this. this has all been discussed before. i was talking about the line and not popularity. But if we're gonna talk about that, SOB and The Beast have similar capacities + or - 100 people and they usually have similar length lines. If Beast is a better ride and a more popular attraction then why does this happen? I'm not saying SOB is the a hugely popular ride, but it seems like whenever someone talks about que lengths there is another person right there to remind us all that that doesn't mean anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browntggrr Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 ^ yes i realize all this. this has all been discussed before. i was talking about the line and not popularity. But if we're gonna talk about that, SOB and The Beast have similar capacities + or - 100 people and they usually have similar length lines. If Beast is a better ride and a more popular attraction then why does this happen? I'm not saying SOB is the a hugely popular ride, but it seems like whenever someone talks about que lengths there is another person right there to remind us all that that doesn't mean anything. If you were not referring to popularity & line length, then I misunderstood. Can you explain what you mean by line length that does not refer to popularity? I also find it difficult to compare Beast & SoB when it comes down to line length. Beast has been around since 1979 and has had excellent uptime vs. SoB which has been around since 2000 and has had (rough number) about 60% uptime during that time. The opportunities to ride Beast vastly outweigh SoB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofBeast07 Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 By only a little. SOB was never a long line. Um it wasn't? When I was always there it was like a half hour and the park wasn't crowded. Thats highly unusual. everyone was arguing about que length so i responded. about The Beast and sob. lets take the period from mid 2007-mid 2009. both rides had good uptime during this period. both rides had similar capacity and lines. my point is SOB is a decently popular ride. definitely not a Diamondback or a Firehawk, but.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browntggrr Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 about The Beast and sob. lets take the period from mid 2007-mid 2009. both rides had good uptime during this period. both rides had similar capacity and lines. When SoB re-opened without the loop and had new trains it was practically a new ride. Comparing a ride that is, for all practical purposes, a new ride vs. a ride that has been around for over 25 years IMO is uncomparable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofBeast07 Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 i wonder if we can consider the addition of trim breaks on The Beast a new ride lol. i hate them soo much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browntggrr Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 You mean when the trim breaks were replaced with magnetic trims? EDIT: Even though the topic is closed, it has a list of previous Beast trim discussions: http://www.KICentral.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=15137 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast1979 Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 And by the way, if you are getting you're facts on Son of Beast (Or Beast's, for that matter) capacity from KI's site, you are highly mistaken. http://www.visitkingsisland.com/attractions/detail.cfm?ai_id=162 This lists Flight of Fear's hourly capacity at 2,000 people per hour. I HIGHLY doubt that is so. Note further down the page they list the ride as having 4 trains. It NEVER ran 4 trains. So the site exaggerates the capacity to it's greater advantage. The site says the capacity for SOB is 1,000 pph and Beast is 1,200 pph. Do you honestly think a ride with 2 trains of 24 people per train is that close to a ride with 3 trains of 36 people per train? Moral of the story: Don't trust the KI website for anything more then the ticket prices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWildman424 Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 I like your last line. Like we found out in Haunt, you can't even trust the calendar. And as far as capacity, Diamondback has come close to 1620 pph...once. There is no chance SOB is close to Beast as far as capacity. See the above post for reasons why. I just felt like adding that because its ridiculous to believe so. And now to add my thoughts...While the line length can't really attest to how popular a ride is, word of mouth can. At least 3 times a day, people would ask me at Diamondback what was wrong with SOB. While 3 people isn't a lot, those are only the people who cared enough to ask. I also believe that the fact that people were willing to wait a half hour on a slow day is a show of it's popularity. You aren't going to wait for a ride you dislike. Most people know how long the line is as they enter the line due to signage or asking the ride op. For example: If the wait for Firehawk is more than 15 minutes I won't get in line, but all the people already in line feel that the ride is good enough for at least a 15 minute wait. Does that make sense at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fear the Four Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 And by the way, if you are getting you're facts on Son of Beast (Or Beast's, for that matter) capacity from KI's site, you are highly mistaken. http://www.visitkingsisland.com/attractions/detail.cfm?ai_id=162 This lists Flight of Fear's hourly capacity at 2,000 people per hour. I HIGHLY doubt that is so. Note further down the page they list the ride as having 4 trains. It NEVER ran 4 trains. So the site exaggerates the capacity to it's greater advantage. The site says the capacity for SOB is 1,000 pph and Beast is 1,200 pph. Do you honestly think a ride with 2 trains of 24 people per train is that close to a ride with 3 trains of 36 people per train? Moral of the story: Don't trust the KI website for anything more then the ticket prices. It can happen but it's highly unlikely. On Kings Islands website the hourly capcity for Diamondback is 1,620 but it only reached it once. So the hourly capacity Kings Island lists can be true but will it happen? Probably not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast1979 Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 RCDB lists SOB as having a 2:20 ride time. Take into account about 20 seconds on the brake run and 40 seconds in the station (optimistically) then it's 3:20 per cycle. There's 24 riders per cycle times 2 trains that's 48 riders every 2 cycles. With the number of cycles possible in one hour that brings the capacity to a mathematically optimistic 840 or so riders per hour. 1000 is quite an estimate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fear the Four Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 RCDB lists SOB as having a 2:20 ride time. Take into account about 20 seconds on the brake run and 40 seconds in the station (optimistically) then it's 3:20 per cycle. There's 24 riders per cycle times 2 trains that's 48 riders every 2 cycles. With the number of cycles possible in one hour that brings the capacity to a mathematically optimistic 840 or so riders per hour. 1000 is quite an estimate. They are probably using the older trains for hourly capacity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hausty1983 Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 So if SOB does reopen will the same trains be used for it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fear the Four Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 So if SOB does reopen will the same trains be used for it? No one really knows if it was my guess the same trains would be used if it reopend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dvo Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 They're going to take a much safer approach and make you ride roller skates down the track. Read that how you will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purplehaze Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 They're going to take a much safer approach and make you ride roller skates down the track. Read that how you will. OH!!!!! I love to roller skate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faeriewench Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 They're going to take a much safer approach and make you ride roller skates down the track. Read that how you will. You do not want to know the mental image that post gave me. (O________O) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahank Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 Oh, the things people do... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browntggrr Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 They're going to take a much safer approach and make you ride roller skates down the track. Read that how you will. At least then I can wear a helmet & pads! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofBeast07 Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 And by the way, if you are getting you're facts on Son of Beast (Or Beast's, for that matter) capacity from KI's site, you are highly mistaken. http://www.visitkingsisland.com/attractions/detail.cfm?ai_id=162 This lists Flight of Fear's hourly capacity at 2,000 people per hour. I HIGHLY doubt that is so. Note further down the page they list the ride as having 4 trains. It NEVER ran 4 trains. So the site exaggerates the capacity to it's greater advantage. The site says the capacity for SOB is 1,000 pph and Beast is 1,200 pph. Do you honestly think a ride with 2 trains of 24 people per train is that close to a ride with 3 trains of 36 people per train? Moral of the story: Don't trust the KI website for anything more then the ticket prices. i wasn't going off that. the website is quite inaccurate. i bet the two rides get like 700 people an hour with beast being on the higher end with 3 trains. but beast sometimes has to wait for a train to go over the lift and it has old fashioned manual releases that can take a while for the operators to use. which is why it isn't as high as it could be. modify the block system and slap some timberliners on it and beast would be a relatively quick line. beast manual release(box on side): newer style release on new ptc's and g-trains (yellow pedal): Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goofywdw Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 i wasn't going off that. the website is quite inaccurate. i bet the two rides get like 700 people an hour with beast being on the higher end with 3 trains. but beast sometimes has to wait for a train to go over the lift and it has old fashioned manual releases that can take a while for the operators to use. which is why it isn't as high as it could be. modify the block system and slap some timberliners on it and beast would be a relatively quick line. Timberliners on Beast?! I honestly have never thought of that. But I bet a lot of people would argue that it takes away from its older feel. But that is a really interesting thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 Given the current financial condition of the park's owner, and the likely motives of any new buyer in the immediate future, I'd not be thinking that Timberliners on Beast is a reasonable prospect for the forseeable future... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CedarPointer Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 Given the current financial condition of the park's owner, and the likely motives of any new buyer in the immediate future, I'd not be thinking that Timberliners on Beast is a reasonable prospect for the forseeable future... But if it were to save quite a bit on, say, track maintenance costs, it could save them money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyMan98 Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 Wait wait wait. Why are you talking about The Beast having Timberliner Trains....? Son of Beast needs it more! What kind of trains does El Toro have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofBeast07 Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 i wasn't proposing it as a serious idea. just a thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamondback96 Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 What kind of trains does El Toro have? It's not the trains (although SoB's current trains probably don't help the roughness at all), it's the track! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamondback FOF Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 Has anyone been by KI recently to see it SOB is even still standing completely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSonofBeast Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 i was there saturday, its all still there. went to marvel at its structure. you can get some really good shots of it over by great wolf lodge (of Son of Beast, and top gun), theres a dead end road there where you can see its lift and the rose bowl quite well. its all still there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyMan98 Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 What kind of trains does El Toro have? It's not the trains (although SoB's current trains probably don't help the roughness at all), it's the track! You didn't really answer my question....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTD-120-420 Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 http://rcdb.com/3183.htm?p=16782 I believe they are special trains made by Intamin. RCDB didn't have any specifics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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