CedarPointer Posted August 17, 2009 Posted August 17, 2009 Cedar Point has the tallest and fastest inverted coaster, does that bring extra people in? We also have the tallest Gyro Drop...
CincyMan98 Posted August 17, 2009 Posted August 17, 2009 CP does?^ I guess Raptor, I did not know that!
HTCO Posted August 17, 2009 Posted August 17, 2009 Cedar Point has the tallest and fastest inverted coaster, does that bring extra people in? We also have the tallest Gyro Drop... Wrong. Alpengeist is the tallest and fastest inverted coaster. Alpengeist http://www.rcdb.com/277.htm Raptor: http://www.rcdb.com/1.htm
Guest TombraiderTy Posted August 17, 2009 Posted August 17, 2009 ^Wicked Twister, which is technically inverted, is taller than both Raptor and Alpengeist.
CedarPointer Posted August 17, 2009 Posted August 17, 2009 Wicked Twister: Height: 215' Speed: 72 mph Alpengeist: Height: 195' Speed: 67 mph
HTCO Posted August 17, 2009 Posted August 17, 2009 While you are correct sir. I personally don't count in because it isn't a complete circuit.
Beast1979 Posted August 17, 2009 Posted August 17, 2009 Which is why Alpengiest is considered the world's Tallest and fastest "Full Circuit" inverted roller coaster. Same as Magnum was the first Full Circuit coaster over 200 feet. While I agree with you HTCO, I must point that out.
Fear the Four Posted August 17, 2009 Posted August 17, 2009 Cedar Point has the tallest and fastest inverted coaster, does that bring extra people in? We also have the tallest Gyro Drop... We have the tallest gyro but not everyone knows what is a gyro drop and more people know what a inverted coaster is.
markr Posted August 17, 2009 Posted August 17, 2009 ^Wicked Twister, which is technically inverted, is taller than both Raptor and Alpengeist. I think Wicked Twister holds the record for tallest and fastest impulse coaster.
Cortney Posted August 18, 2009 Posted August 18, 2009 Getting back to the topic........ I'd say tear down SOB and get rid of it. I read its been open 3 seasons of the 9 its been open! That is crazy!
Beast1979 Posted August 18, 2009 Posted August 18, 2009 That is a load. Son of Beast has been open most of 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, and 2008. Not to mention parts of 2000, 2006, and 2007. It's day to day reliability is horrible, but major breakdowns are not common.
CincyMan98 Posted August 18, 2009 Posted August 18, 2009 Did it cost Kings Island to replace the loop with a hill? Because if that cost a lot, then I can only imagine how much it would cost for the whole RIDE to be dismantled.
shark6495 Posted August 18, 2009 Posted August 18, 2009 I feel the information may be wrong, I would believe it has been down for a total of 3 seasons combined...... So if the ride cost 20 mil to build I would guess that they have probably put in another 5 mil in renovations. And to keep it SBNO it would still cost the park, I would think they would still have to inspect it to make sure it does not collapse, and able to begin operating again. I may be wrong but a company like CF would still want to keep the ride in decent shape in case they do reopen it there is not a ton of work to be done on it, versus letting it rot for 2 years then having to do 2 years of upkeep in a short time.
CedarPointer Posted August 18, 2009 Posted August 18, 2009 When they do make a decision (which I think they already have), they'll stick with it. If they leave it SBNO, they're NOT going to try to reopen it in two years. So that's really not an issue. Keeping it from collapsing, yes, but not keeping it able to operate.
CedarPointer Posted August 18, 2009 Posted August 18, 2009 When they do make a decision (which I think they already have), they'll stick with it. If they leave it SBNO, they're NOT going to try to reopen it in two years. So that's really not an issue. Keeping it from collapsing, yes, but not keeping it able to operate.
CincyMan98 Posted August 18, 2009 Posted August 18, 2009 They need to either open it or dismantle it. One or the other. No "SBNO" or crap like that.
skaterboy22101 Posted August 18, 2009 Posted August 18, 2009 Did it cost Kings Island to replace the loop with a hill? Because if that cost a lot, then I can only imagine how much it would cost for the whole RIDE to be dismantled. They didn't replace it with a hill. It's just a straitaway. And, i'd imagine it didn't cost much. The lawsuit on the other hand.....
iChase Posted August 18, 2009 Posted August 18, 2009 Did it cost Kings Island to replace the loop with a hill? Because if that cost a lot, then I can only imagine how much it would cost for the whole RIDE to be dismantled. Yes, it costed indeed. Unfortunately, the real world doesn't have Rollercoaster Tycoon physics where you delete a loop and replace it with an S bend, you get money. It costs money to remove things, then money to build more track. Perhaps they could profit from scrap metal though...
thomas Posted August 18, 2009 Posted August 18, 2009 They need to either open it or dismantle it. One or the other. No "SBNO" or crap like that. Again, it takes money to dismantle a ride. It cost nothing to keep it SBNO. In this economy, I could see it SBNO for years.
The Interpreter Posted August 18, 2009 Posted August 18, 2009 But SBNO rides DO have a cost. They cause at least some visitors to feel uncomfortable in the park, they send a message about the viability of the company that runs the park and they are an attractive nuisance. To say a SBNO costs nothing is not correct.
thomas Posted August 18, 2009 Posted August 18, 2009 SOB stood from the time the accident happened on 06 and reopened in 07 and people still came to the park. I don't see anyone not coming to a park based on a ride that has already had a bad rap SBNO.
jondrewfoo Posted August 18, 2009 Posted August 18, 2009 oh. you would be surprised. I didnt even visit in '07 till i heard Son of Beast was open. I went a week later. It is a prominent ride, and while it has its reputation it does serious damage being closed. people make up rediculous stories when rides close down, and many other truely believe the stories when they see the ride down, and the confusion that surrounds it when you ask employees. (down for maintenance, anyone?) It is a serious thing to lose a coaster, especially one of that magnitude. It was the tallest thing in the park until Diamondback.... I really want to know how they are going to pitch 2010 season pass sales with all this change and potential loss of many rides coming this offseason... New for 2010, fewer rides! Longer Lines! and lets not forget generic characters!!!
CedarPointer Posted August 18, 2009 Posted August 18, 2009 and the confusion that surrounds it when you ask employees. (down for maintenance, anyone?) That would not be confusion, that would be the park trying to avoid people knowing the REAL reason that it was closed.
Aaron88stang Posted August 18, 2009 Posted August 18, 2009 It would be sad for me to see it go. My preference would for it to be modified and re-opened but if SOB is never going to re-open please just knock it down. I hate seeing things SBNO. I know it cost money to dismantle something especially as big as SOB, but if the park is tired of the headaches and bad press and feelings over SOB leaving it SBNO is not going to take care of that entirely.
Vortex Posted August 18, 2009 Posted August 18, 2009 Does anyone think the park will take part of the ride down next year and the rest in 2011. It would cost less to do it in two parts.
CedarPointer Posted August 18, 2009 Posted August 18, 2009 No. Possibly, it could leave part of the ride unstable. Why not just do it at once?
CincyMan98 Posted August 18, 2009 Posted August 18, 2009 Two years doesn't really make a difference. And it really wouldn't make sense to take down half of it and leave half of it standing. People who are first-timers at Kings Island would say, "Look! They're building a roller coaster!"
The Interpreter Posted August 18, 2009 Posted August 18, 2009 And how do you know that two years doesn't really make a difference? I think you'd be incredibly surprised how much day to day work is required to keep a standard sized wooden coaster running, even more so a hypercoaster like Son of Beast.
KIfan1980 Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 Does anyone think the park will take part of the ride down next year and the rest in 2011. It would cost less to do it in two parts. Why exactly would it cost less to do it in two parts? Sure it would spread the bill out over a longer period of time, but would likely cost more in total in my opinion.
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