AZ Kinda Guy Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 Well said PKIVortex. Some people in this thread think that the general public will have the same reaction that the fanboys are having. Which you and I both know, is not the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaptorGuy Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 I don't get it. It's not like they are getting rid of ERT all together, just moving it to different rides. Now if they got rid of it all together, that would be something to complain about. You guys can still get early rides in on Diamondback and The Beast with little or no wait! Go back to the end of Coney Mall for the ERT session, even if you don't ride Vortex or WindSeeker, just go back there. Then as soon as the park officially opens, head to The Beast and Diamondback. You will probably beat the main crowds there, and still get your rides in.... That would be silly! And also, you can't sit on Diamondback for 15 rides in a row without getting out of your seat doing that, as you can during ERT! Sort of defeats the purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjkjkj Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 How exactly would that be silly? You still get a ride with little to no wait. You are already closer to The Beast and Diamondback than the rest of the park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avatar Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 Many years back, in fact all the way back to the beginning of Kings Island I had the privilege to visit Kinks Island about once a year and if I was lucky after learning to drive I got a second visit. Well that all changed about 6-7 years back during the Paramount years while my family waited in line we noticed others being able to bypass much of the lines through Speed Lanes (Fast Pass). We asked how this was done and was told because they had Gold Season Passes and that was a perk for them. Well we discussed the perk as a family and even considered becoming a Kings Island season pass holder and coming more often as we have never even considered doing that as we thought we lived to far away here in Indianapolis. So that started us off on making many treks across Indiana to come to Kings Island and found a whole new way to enjoy Kings Island in the way from taking our time touring the park , coming over for just special events, so we have renewed our passes every year since. The Speed Lane perk was what got us to become season pass holders and we loved the perk. So as many things in life do things change and our very beloved perk that worked for us so well was phased out and eventually ended. Well we as a family were very disappointed and at first considered not renewing our passes but did and figured out new ways to enjoy the park without our perk. I did voice my disappointment to the park and even on this board and witnessed that many on KIC did not care for the speed lane perk versus the ERT to some coasters, which to us did not work for us as a family on a regular basis. I understood that as a business Kings Island need to do what they felt was best for them and for the interest of satisfying their other guests. We also understood why many KIC members preferred the new ERT perk but that did not lessen our disappointment. I was glad at the time I had a place like KIC to voice my disappointment and to be able to see another way others preferred a different perk as it helps me have a better understanding as a whole in what works for Kings Island as guests and as a business. I just want to tell all my fellow members who are disappointed with the switch for the ERT attractions that I know how you feel. Even though I do not care much for the ERT perks versus other perk opportunities I know how much you looked forward to the perk that worked for you and gave you more enjoyment when visiting Kings Island. I am still glad there is a place here for you all to be able to voice and discuss your disappointment. I hope others as well as the park have some understanding and give those who need it some space while some need to voice their disappointment so soon after finding out about the ERT change. Please let me add this. It seems some have problems here on KIC with KI fanboys and enthusiast and have more problems with them than they do with changes. I do wish this would not happen here as much. I have said it forever, I want to hear everyone's thoughts and opinions good and bad as only hearing one over the other is suspect and I have learned who the KI kool-aid drinkers are and those who are impossible to please. That does not mean I do not want to hear from them but I do put a filter on their comments.I am sure KI likes to hear all sides on a opinion most the time too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rotag Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 while in the past i took full advantage of ERT (ride wise), i dont see me tryin for rides on WindSeeker & Vortex. now what i do see for me is usin the time to get photo's of the general area w/o much to no interference from guest blocking a shot. you pay extra for the ERT, while the rides may not be what you desire; you do have other options with your time. plus there is more to a park then just the rides btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaptorGuy Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 How exactly would that be silly? You still get a ride with little to no wait. You are already closer to The Beast and Diamondback than the rest of the park. Because its only one ride if you're lucky. I like to count my rides and I am trying to get hundreds of rides in a season. Without the ERT, that would NOT be possible. I could get 20-30 rides a day sometimes. Without an ERT session, I will be lucky if I get 5 in a day, because I will only come at night if there is NO ERT for my 2 favorite coasters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BavarianBeatle Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Now this is getting a bit ridiculous. If the argument against the change is that someone paid money for a pass and is dissatisfied because they aren't getting what they thought they paid for, that's a legitimate position. But whining about not getting 15 rides a day on DB is the fanboy behavior that has been very properly criticized by others in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaptorGuy Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 I still don't believe that this is true, however, if it SHOULD turn out to be true, I WILL go rogue on both rides. I will boycott both rides for this season and break with tradition and NOT ride the new ride at KI at ALL during the entire first season! Vortex is TOTALLY un-re-rideable! There is NO WAY I will sit on THAT for 15 rides without getting out on a Saturday morning! Who in their right mind would even WANT to do that? I would have such a headache, I would not want to ride ANY coaster or ride for 2 weeks if I had to endure that! I will ride the CP version of WindSeeker to see what I think of the ride, but I will NOT Ride KI's and I will poo poo the ride to everyone and say it was the worst ride KI got, if they decide to have ERT on it! What a waste of valuable time to have ERT on THOSE! Sheesh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAHill Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Maybe the park wanted to flush out all of the fanboys who treat DB as their second home. Maybe. Just maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ Kinda Guy Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 HA! I love it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogrmac Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 I still don't believe that this is true, however, if it SHOULD turn out to be true, I WILL go rogue on both rides. I will boycott both rides for this season and break with tradition and NOT ride the new ride at KI at ALL during the entire first season! Vortex is TOTALLY un-re-rideable! There is NO WAY I will sit on THAT for 15 rides without getting out on a Saturday morning! Who in their right mind would even WANT to do that? I would have such a headache, I would not want to ride ANY coaster or ride for 2 weeks if I had to endure that! I will ride the CP version of WindSeeker to see what I think of the ride, but I will NOT Ride KI's and I will poo poo the ride to everyone and say it was the worst ride KI got, if they decide to have ERT on it! What a waste of valuable time to have ERT on THOSE! Sheesh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaptorGuy Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Maybe the park wanted to flush out all of the fanboys who treat DB as their second home. Maybe. Just maybe. And their reason for that would be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icedripper Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 This RaptorGuy is really something else... Remember his thread about wanting to cancel Haunt? http://www.KICentral...opic=22867&st=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rcfreak339 Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Yes and the park immediately cancelled haunt because Raptor Guy was so right. I'm sure they'll listen to him on this one too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongliveKingsCobra Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 They may offer you fortune and fame! Love and money and instant acclaim! But what ever they offer you; Don't feed the Trolls! They may offer you lots of cheap thrillls! Fancy condos in Beverly Hills. But what ever they offer you, Don't feed the trolls! I mean really? You're going to "boycott" the two rides?? And you're going to tell everyone how bad it is as well? (Insert uncontrollable laughter). I mean, have you gone mad? All you will do make your self mad, and sit at home. Others will be at the park, and you know if you are going to be this ****y (can i say that on here?) about it then theres the door, don't let it hit you on the way out....geesh. Now, I am not that happy that Vortex and WindSeeker are the new ERT times...but it's the parks choice and it's whatever...besides in July I'll be moving down to Gainesvill.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CedarPointer Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 I'm glad he's boycotting the rides, as it'll mean a shorter wait for all the reasonable people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Rider Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 I still don't believe that this is true, however, if it SHOULD turn out to be true, I WILL go rogue on both rides. I will boycott both rides for this season and break with tradition and NOT ride the new ride at KI at ALL during the entire first season! Vortex is TOTALLY un-re-rideable! There is NO WAY I will sit on THAT for 15 rides without getting out on a Saturday morning! Who in their right mind would even WANT to do that? I would have such a headache, I would not want to ride ANY coaster or ride for 2 weeks if I had to endure that! I will ride the CP version of WindSeeker to see what I think of the ride, but I will NOT Ride KI's and I will poo poo the ride to everyone and say it was the worst ride KI got, if they decide to have ERT on it! What a waste of valuable time to have ERT on THOSE! Sheesh! Now, that is just a little bit silly and over the top. The only one you will hurt with something like that is yourself. While I do not like the change in ERT rides, to go to that extreme is something completely different. The only reason the change aggravates me is that it was made after the passes were sold. Had they announced this before the passes went on sale, and not promised that we would have ERT on The Beast and Diamondback every operating day of the 2011 season excluding Friday night Haunts, there would be no issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndyGuy4KI Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 This is a subject that is very sensitive to some members and a few have decided to call each other names, turn on each other, and some to act immature. If we don't use discretion and common sense towards each other and ourselves when posting, the site looses credibility and our concerns are not going to be taken seriously by the park. Also, keep in mind as well that so many other non members visit and read this site. These conversations are seen by everyone. Example: Screamscape just referenced our site about the Planning tread - http://www.KICentral...dpost&p=416608. I try to always keep this in mind when posting. Back on Subject: Having a day to think about the change, I am still very sad and feel that this is not the best move by the park. Living in Indy I have to drive 2 hrs to get to the park. I did so 10 times last season and what drew me to the park was the DB/Beast ERT. That is what got me excited to make the drive. I picked KI over a 90 minute drive to Indiana Beach and there was several times I really wanted to go to Holiday World (3 hr drive), but the DB/Beast ERT trumped my decision every time. That is what drew money to the park from me at KI. You can ask Avatar, I called him and other KIC members several time last season asking if they wanted to join me. There was several times I took friends or relatives with me, made a Meet up thread on this site and other KIC members joined me at the park and that made money for KI. I am excited about the WS/Vortex ERT, but I am not sure that those rides are going to excite me enough over the full season to pick KI over going to another park this summer. I do feel that there is going to be a lot of other pass holders who feel the same way, and in turn a loss for KI. It saddens me a lot knowing that I will probably loose that excitement that I have had over the past 2 seasons at the park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendrick Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Let's just keep complaining, and maybe Kings Island will see! (sarcasm) It did work for Haunt, remember? This is a subject that is very sensitive to some members and a few have decided to call each other names, turn on each other, and some to act immature. If we don't use discretion and common sense towards each other and ourselves when posting, the site looses credibility and our concerns are not going to be taken seriously by the park. Also, keep in mind as well that so many other non members visit and read this site. These conversations are seen by everyone. Example: Screamscape just referenced our site about the Planning tread - http://www.KICentral...dpost&p=416608. I try to alway keep this in mind when posting. Thank you Indyguy. Some people really are acting crazy... there was a study somewhere about people on the internet, (link here) about people acting different because they have a feeling that things can't be traced back to them. It can be. If this is how you guys would talk to people in a group conversation, face to face, I feel bad for you. It won't get you far in life. If KIC ever host another "event", I would seriously look at the entry list before I consider going. There's a few people who I would love to meet, but I've learned a few people who I hope to avoid. I can't agree with Avatar more. Both sides have more then a right to voice their opinion, but they should be able to voice it without being ridiculed. There are a few of you who have an opinion, and I enjoy reading it, even if it's against my opinion. But, for others, you should not insult other people, call them names, or mock them for what they believe. Back on to subject, I think I would've been okay if the park had added almost any other coasters to the ERT. But, WindSeeker, to me, really doesn't sound that fun. I mean, all you really do is spin in circles high up in the air. And Vortex actually makes me sick. I can ride that coaster once, but either I have a headache after I get off that ride, or I feel sick. (Too many inversions I suppose.) I feel like that's a bad combination, for me, to start the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
standbyme Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 This is a subject that is very sensitive to some members and a few have decided to call each other names, turn on each other, and some to act immature. If we don't use discretion and common sense towards each other and ourselves when posting... I second it...VERY nice post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowman Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Agreed Indyguy4KI, Regarding the personal attacks that have been geared at me here. We have a valid beef with what KI has done to all of us that already bought our Gold Passes up 'til this past Saturday. To everyone who has provided spirited discussion and made valid points on both sides..... Thank You. To the others, go back and re-read the previous 11 pages and see how your personal "slams" probably demeaned valid points. Lets stay civil. Another point that no one has made yet: During ERT on DB you could sit in any seat you want. Thats a big deal to some people. Front seats have best view, Middle seats have most air time, back seats have sensation of the most speed. Now, unless they change the seat assignment policy, you will sit where you told to. If KI will throw this bone to us and let us sit on DB where we want, I'll go back to being happy about buying my gold passes last season. Now I'm off to go buy Red's season tickets. I hope I get to see the starters play the first few innings as promised, but who knows? Maybe (according to some of the posters here) I should just be glad they let me sit in the seat I paid for ahead of time and see anything at all! I would have made this point using the Bengals, but in their case the back ups would probably be more fun to watch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beastfan11 Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 I still don't believe that this is true, however, if it SHOULD turn out to be true, I WILL go rogue on both rides. I will boycott both rides for this season and break with tradition and NOT ride the new ride at KI at ALL during the entire first season! Vortex is TOTALLY un-re-rideable! There is NO WAY I will sit on THAT for 15 rides without getting out on a Saturday morning! Who in their right mind would even WANT to do that? I would have such a headache, I would not want to ride ANY coaster or ride for 2 weeks if I had to endure that! I will ride the CP version of WindSeeker to see what I think of the ride, but I will NOT Ride KI's and I will poo poo the ride to everyone and say it was the worst ride KI got, if they decide to have ERT on it! What a waste of valuable time to have ERT on THOSE! Sheesh! You have got to be kidding me. Buddy, look. Being one of those people who only used to visit the park once a year for the longest time, I can honestly say that I would have been satisfied with one ride on The Beast PER YEAR. If I got a second night ride during my visit, I might have peed myself with excitement. But now, like many on these boards, I can ride almost whenever I'd like. That's right. with a little gold colored peice of plastic I can ride almost whatever I want at the park whenever I want. (During seasonal operation, of course.) And so can you. Don't you think it might be a little selfish to have to have you 15-20 rides on Diamondback a day? I'm not trying to be mean, but we don't need to throw a hissy fit because we dont get what we want. Enjoy WindSeeker. Enjoy The Vortex. - Collin, who is keeping his fingers crossed for ERT for the KI&MVRR next year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Bombay Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 indyguy4ki, excellent post! Now, unless they change the seat assignment policy, you will sit where you told to. It's always been my understanding and personal experience that if you politely request a seat, they'll give it to you. The reason they assign seats is to fill empty ones as much as possible, maximize their capacity and keep the line moving quickly for all guests involved. It's a courtesy for guests. Now I'm off to go buy Red's season tickets. I hope I get to see the starters play the first few innings as promised, but who knows?Maybe (according to some of the posters here) I should just be glad they let me sit in the seat I paid for ahead of time and see anything at all! No offense, but I don't think this is a valid comparison. You're not promised to see "star" players in the first few innings. I just bought a bunch of tickets to the Reds - Yankees series this morning and nowhere on my receipt does it say "Scott Rolen is guaranteed to be playing third, Jonny Gomes is guaranteed to be in left and Bill the singing beer man is guaranteed to be serving section 135." Many times the Reds won't even set a roster until a few hours before the game, even when they do players can be scratched right up to the start. You're buying your ticket to see a major league baseball match up between two teams that are guaranteed to play with players from their available rosters, not guaranteed to put the stars in. So yes, you should be glad that you bought season tickets and get a good deal and get to see some great baseball. In the case of KI ERT, I think the same could be said with advertising ERT. However, I see the point Hendrick was making in that it's a different situation since in some cases it still mentioned Beast/Diamondback. The point is, if this is the case, contact the park and respectfully and calmly let them know how you feel since purchasing your pass and report back to us what they say. Seems like there's a lot of people complaining in this thread and not a lot of people actually doing anything. Call the park, be polite, express your concern and report back here what they say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTD-120-420 Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 As much as I loved riding DB and Beast in the mornings with no wait, the new ride lineup doesn't bother me. It just gives me an extra hour of sleep that morning. It wont make me change my mind about buying a Platinum Pass because I'll still get ERT on Maverick and such up north. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lebeau Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 We specifically bought our Gold Passes to ride DB and Beast early then leave the park to the tourists after the park got busy , but no refunds or downgrades to regular passes are offered. As for the downgrade to regular passes, what was the price difference between regular and gold when you purchased last fall? I'm not 100% positive, but I think Gold was about the same as regular for a while. Yeah, if you bought during the fall offer the upgrade to a gold pass was free. Realistically, I imagine the number of people impacted by this change in any meaning ful way will be in the dozens. Most poeple who bought their passes before the change probably won't even notice. I feel for those of you who are upset. But you should know that KI has the right to make these kinds of changes. Was it ever verified that DB and Beast were specifically listed as being ERT rides during the early sale of 2011 passes? If so, maybe KI will stop identifying the rides for next years ERT going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendrick Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 @libeau, it was advertised. Look for my post on the first page, although the link was taken down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowman Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 (edited) No offense, but I don't think this is a valid comparison. You're not promised to see "star" players in the first few innings. I just bought a bunch of tickets to the Reds - Yankees series this morning and nowhere on my receipt does it say "Scott Rolen is guaranteed to be playing third, Jonny Gomes is guaranteed to be in left and Bill the singing beer man is guaranteed to be serving section 135." Gordon, If you were told by the Reds when you bought the tickets that Scott Rolen and Jonny Gomes would definately be playing, and Bill would definately be delivering beer with a melodic tune, and you got there and found out none of this was true, and no refunds were offered, wouldn't you be quite pi$$ed? If you added that, isn't it a valid comparison? It may be a relative few voicing frustration right now, but consider all the people who purchased Golds or Platinums that don't read this site or get email from KI who show up early to ride what they've been riding for the last 2 years and are told this news. I took Gordon's suggestion and called KI. Quote: "Early ride times are set in stone and NO refunds or downgrades are being offered to people who purchased their passes last year." Edited February 22, 2011 by Snowman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lebeau Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 @libeau, it was advertised. Look for my post on the first page, although the link was taken down I'll have to take your word for it that it used to name Beast and Diamondback instead of the current rides. But even so, they have the right to change the rides at any time. They can even do away with the perk entirely if they see fit. So it's unreasonable to get too upset if they decide to exercise that right. If you are upset and want to complain, I can't blame you. But I think at best it will cause them to change the wording for next year's season pass advertising. I just don't see how this could realistically have been a deal-breaker in the decision to buy a gold pass for all but a handful of people. And even of those complaining, my guess is they would have bought their passes anyway even if the ERT changes had been known. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Bombay Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 If you added that, isn't it a valid comparison? Sure, if that were the case, but it's not. At least not with the Reds, but I get what you're saying. It may be a relative few voicing frustration right now, but consider all the people who purchased Golds or Platinums that don't read this site or get email from KI who show up early to ride what they've been riding for the last 2 years and are told this news. That's fine, but complaining on this site will get nothing done. If you're unhappy with your purchase, let the park know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendrick Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 I'll have to take your word for it that it used to name Beast and Diamondback instead of the current rides. But even so, they have the right to change the rides at any time. They can even do away with the perk entirely if they see fit. So it's unreasonable to get too upset if they decide to exercise that right. If you are upset and want to complain, I can't blame you. But I think at best it will cause them to change the wording for next year's season pass advertising. Here's a picture of it. That's fine, but complaining on this site will get nothing done. If you're unhappy with your purchase, let the park know. I took your advice Gordon, and I have to say, I think we're making a bit of headway. I called, and here is what they told me. If you do indeed call, I cannot stress the importance of being polite. I work customer service at work, and I know how much more I actually want to help the polite people, compared to the ones who start yelling right away. It was clear I wasn't the first caller who had this question. Vortex/WindSeeker ONLY On SELECT days, they will open other SELECT rides for ERT (Days/Rides to be announced.) He or she (I don't want to get anyone in trouble) said that they would make a note of my concern, and pass it on. As long as the days are frequent enough (and the rides actually are Diamondback/Beast), I'll be satisfied with Kings Island's solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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