Banshee Back VII Posted May 31, 2014 Author Share Posted May 31, 2014 Probably a B&M. But it could be a RMC Woodie, or even a Vekoma Boomerang (when I say Boomerang I'm refering to all Boomerang models, including the GIB and Invertigo model). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banshee Back VII Posted June 1, 2014 Author Share Posted June 1, 2014 I wish that the park would get a Rocky Mountain Constrction inverting woodie. That would get attention and the nearest one is at six flags great america. Six Flags Great America is close to Kings Island. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 Sort of. There's no inverting woodie open there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banshee Back VII Posted June 1, 2014 Author Share Posted June 1, 2014 Oh yeah. But it will be soon. BB7, who forgot that he lives at least two hours closer to Six Flags Great America than most people here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banshee Back VII Posted June 1, 2014 Author Share Posted June 1, 2014 Oh yeah. But it will be soon. BB7, who forgot that he lives at least two hours closer to Six Flags Great America than most people here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banshee Back VII Posted June 1, 2014 Author Share Posted June 1, 2014 Oh yeah. But it will be soon. BB7, who forgot that he lives at least two hours closer to Six Flags Great America than most people here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 A post so nice, he made it thrice. Woodie? What woodie? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banshee Back VII Posted June 1, 2014 Author Share Posted June 1, 2014 How about Goliath. How did it post thrice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 I don't know but thrice it's there. Goliath? Six Flags says it is steel. Kings Island says Racer is one coaster. Or Surf Dog is a coaster. A thing is what it is. Calling it something else doesn't make it so. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merthecat Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 Can we also get Intimidator too?NO!It would be really pointless anyway to add a coaster that's almost exactly the same except for being taller by two feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TombRaiderFTW Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 If we're talking about taking Carowinds' coasters (which I figure they've pretty much got coming to them since they stole our Eagles ), I'll have Hurler, please. Or Carolina Goldrusher. Or Vortex. Thanks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merthecat Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 If we're talking about taking Carowinds' coasters (which I figure they've pretty much got coming to them since they stole our Eagles ), I'll have Hurler, please. Or Carolina Goldrusher. Or Vortex. Thanks. You can have Hurler and Vortex! I'm keeping the Goldrusher, however. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McSalsa Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 Actually- and kind of ironically- looking at both Kings Island and Carowinds ride lineups, there are a LOT of similar rides...I'll leave out the teeny-weeny kiddie coasters for this comparison, but will include the larger kids coasters: Diamondback vs. Intimidator- Both B&M Hypers Banshee vs. Afterburn- Both B&M Inverts Firehawk vs. Nighthawk- Both Vekoma Flying Coasters, with "Hawk" in the name of each to boot! Racer vs. Thunder Road- Both PTC Wooden Racing Coasters Vortex vs. Carolina Cyclone- Both Arrow Custom Looping Coasters Adventure Express vs. Carolina Goldrusher- Both Arrow Mine Train Coasters Invertigo vs. Carolina Cobra- Both are Vekoma Boomerangs, though Invertigo is an Inverted model Flying Ace Aerial Chase- Same ride at both parks Woodstock Express- Same ride at both parksKings Island "Exclusives" (Not at Carowinds): The Beast, The Bat, Backlot Stunt Coaster, Flight of Fear Carowinds "Exclusives" (Not at KI): Vortex, Hurler, Ricochet The amount of similar coasters in these 2 parks coaster lineups is staggering...granted, there are differences in the layouts and all that for some of them, and the differences do likely add up but still... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 You'd have thought the parks shared owners or sumthin' 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McSalsa Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 Yet- strangely- Paramount, who you'd expect to be a HUGE reason for this, really didn't add too many similar rides under their watch. Most of the similar rides are KECO and Cedar Fair's faults, ironically... (Cedar Fair did add a few rides to each park after they took over that made them for similar- Firehawk and Banshee at Kings Island, for example, are ride styles that under Paramount WERE "unique" to Carowinds)... Matt Ouimet did say he wanted each park to have more "unique" rides than in the past. Well, Kings Island and Carowinds had better ask each other what the other is getting for at least a few years...ie, if Carowinds gets a B&M Giga for their rumored 2015 coaster, Kings Island may want to look at something else for its next big ride, for example... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 Uh? Nighthawk aka Borg: The Assimilator had two twins at Flags that were like each other but not like Borg. Firehawk and Nighthawk are not identical. The latter, first known as Stealth, was a prototype. The former is one of the two twins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McSalsa Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 I know- Firehawk's true 100% twin is Batwing, which resides at Six Flags America. Nighthawk (aka Borg/Stealth), while being similar, is the Prototype- the main difference between the two is that where Firehawk and Batwing have Barrel Rolls and a Helix Finale, Nighthawk has Corkscrews and no helix...they are still all Vekoma Flying Coasters, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 So, Nighthawk IS unique. That part of your argument doesn't hold water. To much of the public, a coaster is a coaster. And very few customers at either Kings Island or Carowinds will ever go to the other park. I've never understood why enthusiasts go bonkers over "clones." If a park near me wants to build an excellent ride, I couldn't care less whether it's also in another park. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McSalsa Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 True- a great ride is a great ride, even if it is cloned a million times. In fact, that would kind of indicate the original was successful because other parks are copying it. I also don't really care myself, I was just looking at how many rides at KI/Carowinds have very similar connections and thought "Huh...that's kinda odd.". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 Very similar connections? Don't most steel coasters use bolts? And wood ones nails? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McSalsa Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 Well, yes, they all do...Ugh. I was Terp'd again. I meant they are similar ride styles (Builder, Ride Type, features, etc etc.) but didn't know how to word it. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver2005 Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 I don't know but thrice it's there. Goliath? Six Flags says it is steel. Kings Island says Racer is one coaster. Or Surf Dog is a coaster. A thing is what it is. Calling it something else doesn't make it so. Six Flags considers Goliath wood. http://content.sixflags.com/comingin2014/greatamerica/goliath/ Coming soon, Six Flags Great America will introduce a brand new triple-record-breaking wooden coaster that will be the new staple of the park’s skyline. I consider it wood as well. The Topper Track system uses a similar system to wood coasters, only replacing the top two wood layers with steel. Wood still has an affect on the ride experience. The ride's structure doesn't play a factor into the type it is. For example, Gemini has a wood structure, but it a steel coaster due to the actual track being steel. Voyage is a wood coaster despite having a steel structure. Here is Goliath's track. Yeah, I see a few layers of wood there. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 I'm aware of all that. Still, it seems to me, as I've said before, that the distinctions between steel and wood are not very meaningful anymore. To me, Goliath screams steel and Six Flags calling it wood smacks of artifice. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KI Guy Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 ^^ Gemini rides on tubular steel track and delivers a ride experience of a tubular steel roller coaster. Outlaw Run runs on a quasi-wooden track with a structurally significant top two layers of steel. It is almost a steel track bolted to wood. Does Outlaw Run deliver the experience of a wooden coaster? I've never heard anyone say that. It is more marketable, as Terp alluded to, to sell them as wooden. El Toro is also a little disingenuous. It is wooden but c'mon it's not REALLY wooden. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tr0y Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 The El toro is a pure wooden roller-coaster. The way it was manufactured tho is different. the track itself was prefabricated, by taking wood thin wood layers and tightly comdensing them together making it very strong and being molded into whatever shape needed, making very smooth transitions. it uses the same steel strips mounts that the trains wheels ride along like any other true wooden coaster. ie The Beast, The Racer, ect.. This isn't the case for RMC type coasters., they use steel as the primary track with wood supporting it. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KI Guy Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Yes, I know that. That was a sort of an aside from the rest of my post. The same concept applies though. Yeah, it is wooden, just as ham and Spam are both meat, (Not a knock against "The Bull"). In my eyes a "pure" wooden coaster must feel wooden. Very few riders would care or know how the ride was made, but still. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcgoble3 Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Mitch Hawker's poll considers Outlaw Run wooden. I'll be interested to see what Mitch considers Goliath to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banshee Back VII Posted June 2, 2014 Author Share Posted June 2, 2014 Thank you Mer for your generosity. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merthecat Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Thank you Mer for your generosity.Oh, sorry, I forgot to mention that in trade for Hurler and Vortex, we get Flight of Fear and Bat.And might as well throw in the Eiffel Tower as a spare for if and when the Skytower ever needs to be replaced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banshee Back VII Posted June 2, 2014 Author Share Posted June 2, 2014 I think that I'll keep Fight of Fear. I love that thing to death. Can we do The Vortex for The Bat trade, though? Then we would have a stand-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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