Oldschool75 Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 2 different coasters, red track that has been there, and the Dive track; which is is a burnt orange with a silver bottom. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindingSon Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Didn't find any clues in this mug I found at Goodwill. 16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldiesmann Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 The red track from what I've seen is going to a park in China. Don't know about the other track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ethancoaster Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 The brown/grey will look great up against Raptor, but I can't see it being named Valravn anymore. Unless they do purple supports. That would be an awesome color scheme! It's also nice that they went with the two-tone track with the second color on the bottom of the spine like Fury. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindingSon Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 I'm laughing pretty hard at Pipe Scream being counted as a coaster. Only Rougarou remains... 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph88 Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 It's a spinning car on a track. Is it not a coaster? Is it a flat? I'm legitimately asking. I dunno what it is. All I know is it looks like fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomTheater Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Pipe scream is powered throughout the ride, therefore it should be a flat ride. I would consider Demon Drop more of a coaster than Pipe Scream. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindingSon Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Does KI count Surf Dog? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph88 Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 So in order to be a coaster, it needs to actually "coast" without needing power through parts of the ride? Makes sense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magenta Lizard Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 I believe KI does count Surf Dog as a coaster, yes. I am having trouble finding something online to back that up at the moment tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkroz Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 So in order to be a coaster, it needs to actually "coast" without needing power through parts of the ride? Makes sense. According to the English term for the contraption, "roll-er coast-er," sure. In many other languages, the name translates to Russian mountain. Does a Russian mountain need to "coast?" The whole thing is murky. If "coasting" via gravity is the official requirement, why is Devil's Den not considered a roller coaster? Just because it doesn't look or act like a traditional roller coaster? Why does Thunder Run count despite being called a "powered coaster?" Just because it looks more like a traditional roller coaster than Devil's Den? Even by that strict definition, you'd have a lot of convincing to do to make me believe that gravity doesn't power Surf Dog at all for any portion of the ride's course. Even the downhill portions are powered in such a way to overcome gravity? Hmm. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter anyway. But it's an interesting arbitrary classification that no one seems to be able to perfectly define when things get complex. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindingSon Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 I believe KI does count Surf Dog as a coaster, yes. I am having trouble finding something online to back that up at the moment tho. I found this here: https://www.visitkingsisland.com/media-center/word-descriptions which describes KI as having "15 roller coasters", a statistic only possible if you count Surf Dog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 (Or if they counted Racer twice. Which they do not. Which also doesn't make sense...) 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollerNut Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Zamperla markets it as a Disk-O Coaster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 And what does Larson market those Six Flags (and other places) big new Rings of Fire type thingies as? Terp, who likes to ask questions. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marth555 Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 http://www.larsonintl.com/pages/giant-loop/giant-loop.html Larsons site says compact roller coaster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldschool75 Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Sent from a signal coming out of the Vega system. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcgoble3 Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Haven't there been a few instances of Surf Dog valleying on the non-loading side of the ride this season? How would that be possible if it is powered up every hill? Perhaps it isn't powered nearly as much as we think it is. Perhaps it is only powered for a few brief moments at each change of direction, and coasts otherwise. Perhaps it is... a roller coaster? jcgoble3, carefully considering a change of personal opinion about this issue 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kblanken Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 I've become curious about something, does Viking Fury use gravity? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcgoble3 Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 I've become curious about something, does Viking Fury use gravity? AFAIK, yes. Next time you are at the front of a row queue, watch underneath the boat's "home" position. There are a series of tires that spin one way to drive the boat up, then quickly reverse direction to throw the boat in the opposite direction when it comes back down. AFAIK the boat is freely swinging with nothing to power it or brake it but those tires (though I could be wrong on that). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollerNut Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 http://www.larsonintl.com/pages/giant-loop/giant-loop.html Larsons site says compact roller coasterWell then by my opinion, then both Pipe Scream and Chaos Coaster(s) are roller coasters. My opinion is simple if the manufactor markets it as a coaster then it is a coaster, what's bad is how I don't fully agree with my own opinion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcgoble3 Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 what's bad is how I don't fully agree with my own opinion. If you don't agree with your own opinion, then it is time to change that opinion. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldschool75 Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 I think this fits here Sent from a signal coming out of the Vega system. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCandyManCan Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 This whole coaster debate is why I just go ride rides. Noone can argue with you if you just say it's a great ride. I go to parks, I ride rides, I have fun. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 For years, rcdb even refused to list Blazing Fury as a coaster. Then they did. Haunted House at Camden Park and Devil's Den at Conneaut are still not listed. Dark Ride, you say? Underground at Adventureland in Iowa is listed. Consistency is apparently the hobgoblin of small rides. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBEW_Sparky Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 That ride DESERVES to be Underground... as in DEEP underground in the scrap pile. I remember the first time I rode it, after waiting in an hour long line.... GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR is an understatement as to my emotions when I got off. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindingSon Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 Rougarou valleyed today: Luckily, the block brakes worked. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldiesmann Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 Haven't there been a few instances of Surf Dog valleying on the non-loading side of the ride this season? How would that be possible if it is powered up every hill? Perhaps it isn't powered nearly as much as we think it is. Perhaps it is only powered for a few brief moments at each change of direction, and coasts otherwise. Perhaps it is... a roller coaster? jcgoble3, carefully considering a change of personal opinion about this issue The one time I saw that happen, that's where the ride computer stopped the ride. It went up a little too high on the load side for some reason, then there was a brief "screech" sound as the brakes were applied. At that point the ride panel started beeping as the "Alarm Silence" button flashed, the ride slowed and stopped in the valley on the far side. It's probably a safety feature because it's easier to get people off if needed when it's low like that. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcgoble3 Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 Haven't there been a few instances of Surf Dog valleying on the non-loading side of the ride this season? How would that be possible if it is powered up every hill? Perhaps it isn't powered nearly as much as we think it is. Perhaps it is only powered for a few brief moments at each change of direction, and coasts otherwise. Perhaps it is... a roller coaster? jcgoble3, carefully considering a change of personal opinion about this issue The one time I saw that happen, that's where the ride computer stopped the ride. It went up a little too high on the load side for some reason, then there was a brief "screech" sound as the brakes were applied. At that point the ride panel started beeping as the "Alarm Silence" button flashed, the ride slowed and stopped in the valley on the far side. It's probably a safety feature because it's easier to get people off if needed when it's low like that. Okay, that's one instance. But I vaguely recall someone (possibly ohiocolts?) saying somewhere (possibly Facebook?) that in another instance it simply ran out of steam, couldn't make it over the center hump, and valleyed like a normal roller coaster would. I don't know if that was actually said by someone, though, or if my faulty memory is making things up again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsus Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 If a powered ride abruptly because an unpowered ride, it will valley. If a launch hill (e.g. LSM launch/"lift" hill on Maverick) abruptly stops the launch, a train will roll back. In both examples, a ride vehicle is normally moved via continuously applied motors. In both examples, it is possible for said motors to abruptly stop providing forward motion to the ride vehicle, causing it to roll back or valley. Powered ride != ride that's incapable of valleying 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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