SonofBaconator Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 I've been thinking recently of all the coasters and other rides in the amusement park industry that have been changed from their original state and came up with a central question- does the changes a park makes to a current ride qualify it as new? For example, would you consider a coaster like Rougarou new because of the complete change in name, colors, and cars? Or what about The Bat? The list could go on. What's your opinion? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDMC01 Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Tough question, and probably purely subjective. To me, Rougarou and The Bat aren't new coaster credits to me. However, if I had ridden Cyclone at SFNE before it became Wicked Cyclone, I'd count each as a new coaster credit if I had ridden both "versions" of the ride. However, when Son of Beast's loop was removed, I didn't count this as a new credit, but I did make a note in my personal coaster count that says I rode it both with and without the loop. I've never ridden a coaster that I've ridden in a former location yet (think someone who has ridden both X-Flight at Geagua Lake and Firehawk here), so I don't know if I'll classify the ride as "new" when I've ridden it at a new location. That's just my 2 cents on the issue. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marth555 Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 I Dont count credits I just enjoy rides 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastForever Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Seemingly one of the most philosophical questions known to coaster enthusiasm. For me, it depends on what the change is (case-by-case basis). Something as simple as a name and/or color change, I think the vast majority of us would agree that it would not be a separate credit. (ie. The Bat, Bizarros, Batmen: The Ride)... Now for something like Son of Beast's loop being replaced with a straight section of track, to me that's not a significant enough change for it to be considered a new credit. For something like Mantis changing to Rougarou, I would say that there is enough amount of change in the ride experience for it to be considered a new credit. Even though its the same track as it was before, I feel when a coaster literally changes the category it falls under (stand-up to floorless), that is a new credit... 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindingSon Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 What about the Chessington Vampire? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voicetek Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 I think it all depends on what changes were made. I do not consider The Bat a new ride. A change of name and color hardly change the experience of the ride itself. However, changing the types of cars such as the case with Rougarou, could drastically change the ride experience so much so that it would feel like a new ride completely. I did not consider Son of Beast a new ride with the removal of its loop though. I would also Phantom Theater, Scooby Doo's Haunted Castle, and Boo Blasters to all be different rides since there was as complete change in theming. Even though the ride system is pretty much the same, and it's within the same building, the experiences are completely different (as most would argue that "Phantom" was way better than Boo Blasters). So there really is no clear Yes or No answer. It just depends on what kinds of changes and how that affects the experience from ride to ride. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuxedoman52 Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 New restraints on FoF, still the same ride. Converting a stand-up to a floorless (Rougarou), it is really the experience that changes even though the track design doesn't change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 You must not have ridden Outer Limits: Flight of Fear. Now, it's a glorious experience. Before, it was a headbanging extravaganza. The experience most definitely changed. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuxedoman52 Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 No, I had not rode FoF with OTSRs considering I was not born yet . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindingSon Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Kings Island's website still uses a photo of the ride with the OTSR trains. You'd think they'd have changed it by now. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 No, I had not rode FoF with OTSRs considering I was not born yet . You could have a friend hit you upside the head with a baseball bat repeatedly for about two minutes.... 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuxedoman52 Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 No, I had not rode FoF with OTSRs considering I was not born yet . You could have a friend hit you upside the head with a baseball bat repeatedly for about two minutes.... No thanks, Terpy. EDIT: The lap bars they have now are painful enough. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homestar92 Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Gatekeeper caused terrible collarbone pain for me in 2013 and is entirely tolerable now. Can I count that as a new credit? 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 You are in charge of your count. Do as you wish. Everyone else does. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homestar92 Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 If I were to count Gatekeeper as two credits, then one thing is for certain... I'd wish I could count X-Flight as two credits, too. I wish I could love that ride... The layout is awesome. It has the best keyholes of any Wing Coaster I've ridden. It would be my favorite ride of its kind if it received the same modifications that Gatekeeper did. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TombRaiderFTW Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 At this point, I just kinda call them as I see them after experiencing them and deciding what fits best for me. It's entirely subjective, and I have no doubt that I'm probably inconsistent as all get out. Credits aren't really important to me; I basically only keep track of them out of curiosity and as a conversation piece (as some people I know ask for updates from time to time on how many coasters I've ridden.) I really don't feel like there's an objective means of setting criteria for when a ride is "new," except to set arbitrary guidelines. I don't really consider Rougarou a new ride, but RMC redos are definitely new rides. Fortunately, I never rode the original Hades, so I don't need to worry about whether or not it counts as a new ride now that it has its corkscrew. Same goes for Son of Beast; I only rode it without the loop. I have ridden Intimidator 305 both pre- and post-reprofiling, but that change seems minor enough to me that I don't consider it an issue. Then again, I'm also that guy that considers Racer at Kennywood to be two credits, so what do I know? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homestar92 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 I'm kind of in the same boat as you. I track my count basically for my own information and so that I can rattle it off if someone asks. Most of the time, if someone is asking me how many coasters I've ridden, they don't really care whether I think Racer is one coaster or two (it's one, BTW, whether you're in Mason or in West Mifflin). They're just curious as to how many I've been on. And that usually opens up conversations about my favorite parks and rides, which I could go on and on about for ages. I also usually mention that there are some definite question marks in that count. Like the fact that many people count Thunder Run at Canada's Wonderland as a coaster even though it does no coasting and yet very few will count a Pretzel haunted house despite their working much more like a normal coaster. Those conversations can be a lot of fun. Even if the people who don't count the Pretzel haunted houses as coasters are wrong Plus, I definitely have some obsessive-compulsive tendencies, I couldn't imagine having collected things (or experiences as it were) and not knowing how many I had collected. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purdude86 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 I agree with others that it really depends on the change. Seems to be general consensus that just a face lift with new paint/name/etc. like Flight Deck to The Bat don't really count. I'd say that major changes like an RMC redo change the ride completely and therefor it is a new ride. The main thing that seems to be up for debate is stuff like Rougarou. I haven't ridden it yet but I'd say it all comes down to how major of a change the ride experience is with a new type of train. I'm want to say that with it having the same layout makes it the same ride, but being positioned in a completely different manner could make it feel vastly different. If it went solely from a sit down train to a floorless I'd say definitely not but going from standing to sitting is a big difference. So, overall I'd say it comes down to just how much the ride experience has changed for whether a ride is new or not. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastForever Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 Ok I think I'm going to scratch my "change in ride experience" rule as that can bring up many loopholes... Although a change as small as adjusting the vests on Gatekeeper or replacing the OTSR's on Flight of Fear with lap bars can make a significant change in the ride experience, at the end of the day, Gatekeeper is still a wing coaster, and Flight of Fear is still a LIM Launched indoor steel looping coaster... For example, The Beast of 2015's ride experience IMO is much different from what it was 7-8 years ago due to a significant amount of work done that has made it smooth as glass in recent years. But this wouldn't be causation to count The Beast of today as a separate credit from The Beast of 2008, or even 1979 (4 bench trains, much less tunneled track). Even though deciding what counts as a credit or not is still solely up to yourself, it is still always fun to imagine establishing a universal system, even though it would be very hard to. What about the Chessington Vampire? That's a good question. I would say that although the floorless trains compared to the original trains is probably a significant change in the ride experience (I wouldn't know though; haven't ridden it), it's still technically classified as a suspended coaster, as the train is suspended and swinging from the track in pretty much the same way as it was before. (For it to be considered inverted, the trains would have to be directly attached to the track and not swing). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkroz Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 There are probably folks out there who count Flight of Fear and Flight of Fear as two credits, but Rougarou and Mantis as one. If that makes sense to you, then fine with me! (For the record, I see four credits in that group.) If someone said they'd ridden 76 roller coasters, I would think that was very cool. I wouldn't ask a lot of qualifying questions. I do track my own, but I'm sure there would be those who would examine my list and say I'd ridden fewer coasters than I say. Another camp would probably count that I'd ridden more than I say. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
APE Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 I consider it a new coaster or credit if it goes through a major change. The Bat was just painted and re named but it remained the same ride. Rougarou got new trains as well as the name and color changes. I would consider that a new credit as it changes the actual experience. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingsislandfan1972 Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Would Firehawk be an example for this topic? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofBaconator Posted September 4, 2015 Author Share Posted September 4, 2015 I love Vekoma but am I the only one that would prefer Firehawk to be a B&M? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 No. Particularly if you mean the Supermen: Ultimate Flights. Other than the pretzel loop, they should be named Supermen: Ultimate Snores. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vortex lover Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 My opininon would be RMC/New Trains that would be a new credit however a new paint job, no. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N920A using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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