CoastersRZ Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 A bargain at 1/10 that price. Maybe. I wonder who the seller is.... Based on the timeline, and the color of the cars, would these not be the prototype trains that were tested on the Voyage? It is hard to tell, but it looks like it could be the Voyage in the background of those images... Wooden Warrior was the first coaster in the US to open with Timberliner trains and it opened in 2011, and only has 6 rows for a total of 12 riders. The Twister at Gruno Land in Sweden also opened in 2011, a couple weeks after Wooden Warrior opened, and also features the Timberliners. I believe that these were the first installations of the Timberliner trains. So is Gravity Group the one selling this train? Did Holiday World ever have the train purchased, or was it still Gravity Group`s train when they were testing it on the Voyage? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldiesmann Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 In The Loop has posted a picture of the Holiwood Nights 2016 poster on Instagram... https://www.instagram.com/p/_X55YbvgBw/ 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joncars05 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 It looks like the wood on entire first drop of The Legend is going to be replaced.Also a Youtube video has been published as to what Santa brought to the Coaster Cats and HW this Christmas! Photo and video are provided courtesy of Holiday World 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marth555 Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 A smooth Legend would be pretty awesome 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calakapepe Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 I rode this year and I found Legend to be as smooth as The Beast. Which, in my opinion, nowadays, is smooth. The harshest thing about the legend is having to brace for what feels like eternal left side laterals! Hehe Edit- and by this year... i mean last year.. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBEW_Sparky Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 My thoughts on the new tunnel are that its going to go on Voyage, where Thunderbird crosses over it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcgoble3 Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 The announcement was just posted on the HoliBlog: http://www.holidayworld.com/holiblog/2016/01/14/the-legend-reborn/ Video: Basically, all three are getting track work to make things smoother in spots, and Legend is getting a new double down element for increased airtime and a new tunnel where it crosses under Frightful Falls. No inversions, thankfully. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joncars05 Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 This looks pretty cool. I always thought that Legend after the helix was pretty much out of control (in a good way). Throw in a double down AND lower the track for more speed and Legend's finale is going to be an animal! I cannot wait to ride it later this year! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McSalsa Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Well, this is interesting. Hopefully these modifications improve Legend while keeping everything the ride was before intact- aka I hope the laterals are still nice and strong in the modified areas. More speed and airtime in that second half sounds like a plus though- so one of my favorite coasters so far might be even better in the future. Also interesting is that GCI is helping Holiday World with this, so it really looks now like Gravity Group and Holiday World have truly fallen out with each other. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TombRaiderFTW Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 A couple thoughts: 1. I'm curious to know what the double down will be like. That's one of the two slower moments on that ride where it isn't throwing something intense at you, and it was one of the better aspects of Legend's pacing for me. The pacing is (was?) almost a more condensed version of Voyage's pacing--wide turns, a pause (the top of the high-lateral turnaround under the water slides), the airtime and helix, a pause (the stretch of track to be replaced with the double down), and then the intense last three turns. For me, it's a bit like them announcing that Raven's fifth drop will be replaced with a double down--maybe it could work in its favor, or maybe that will change the ride's identity (for better or worse.) Or both? I don't know. Alls I'm saying is that lack of action can be just as important to pacing as action. (See also: Beast, Iron Rattler, Magnum XL-200.) 2. I'm confused about the change to the dip under Frightful Falls. Why is it being lowered, again? The graph thing doesn't totally make sense to me. It's showing airtime on the original design of the preceding turn, but... there isn't, right? That's not just me, right? It's appearing that the shape of that turn will be changed significantly to increase the airtime, and the shaping looks really different. If the original profile is straight lines and circles from above, the new profile is an eccentric arc. According to the video, the turn has been lowered... Hmm. I've never ridden a GCI with laterals like Legend's, so I'm curious to see where this goes. I'm a little bummed that that photogenic turn is going to look different, but obviously, it could end up better. We'll see how things go. 3. I'm also very curious about the Legend changes vs. the Voyage changes. I've wondered for a while what the state of the relationship between Holiday World and The Gravity Group is, and the fact that they are going with GCI for the Legend changes makes me think that relationship is nonexistent. (It also begs the question: if these plans were originally Will's, then who had he originally considered to make the changes?) TRFTW, not trying to be whiny, honest. I just love my CCIs, and I'm wary when they change. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Flight Back Deck Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Nice to see GCI taking over for this, and actually getting a wooden reprofile and not making a hybrid. Overall looks to be exciting that some companies do what they can to preserve their wooden roller coasters. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDMC01 Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Ok, so right after they said Will called The Legend the Y2K Coaster, I was like "I have to ride this!" (and it looks pretty darn cool too) And apparently, It's going to be better than ever! Only 5 more months... EDIT: Also, I got excited when I heard GCI is doing the trackwork! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcgoble3 Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Also interesting is that GCI is helping Holiday World with this, so it really looks now like Gravity Group and Holiday World have truly fallen out with each other. I've wondered for a while what the state of the relationship between Holiday World and The Gravity Group is, and the fact that they are going with GCI for the Legend changes makes me think that relationship is nonexistent. According to Paula Werne in the HoliWood Nights Facebook group, both GCI and TGG submitted bids. More specifically: Keep in mind that GCI offers engineering work plus a team to get the work done. That's what we needed. Both companies bid on the project. So it sounds like Gravity Group's bid just came up short. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TombRaiderFTW Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 ^ Interesting! Thanks for posting Paula's response. That does make sense--this is above and beyond the typical work that their Coaster Cats do. On the other hand, that does make me wonder who did the actual work of modifying Voyage's spaghetti bowl a couple years ago. Perhaps the smaller scale of that project had something to do with it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Just because two companies submitted bids does not necessarily mean two companies' bids were given equal consideration. On the other hand, one of the two companies does far more of this type of work than the other. And park "PR goddess[es]" are good at what they do. Convey a message in such a way that what is meant to be communicated is what is heard. I believe that is called spinning. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vortex lover Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 I was kinda upset when they choose not to add GCI'S Millinum Flyers, but the more I think about it I understand why they kept the PTC's. Edit: ( 300th post!) Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N920A using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joncars05 Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 https://twitter.com/HolidayWorld/status/694597860055080960/photo/1 Photo courtesy of Holiday World's Twitter Page. Wow they are removing TONS of wood from Legend! This is going to be almost an entire revamp of this ride! The track appears to have been removed from the exit of the double helix to the station. I feel like Legend may be a completely different (More Smooth!!!!) experience when they are done. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoasterDirected Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Thank God the turns of death is being changed, that was the only part I thought was personally unpleasant 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabe Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 In addition to the coaster projects, HW announced they are bringing back the Freedom Train, an original ride when the park first opened. It will replace the Holidog Express, which replaced the Freedom Train when it was retired a few years' back: http://www.insideindianabusiness.com/story/31241150/freedom-train-returning-to-holiday-world 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dare-to-fly Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 I was very excited for the announced changes. As a traditional wood fan and an airtime fanatic, this change should be great! I have been waiting for several years to have Legend get a massive amount of attention like the others have gotten. Raven has been running amazing for the last several seasons, and I hope that continues. Now hopefully it's Legend's turn. Voyage, oh Voyage. As far as decent wooden roller coasters go, after a good off-season rehab last year, the ride was impeccable this season. I'm not sure I've ever been on The Voyage with it running the way that it did this season. I was overly impressed. Did we ride the same Voyage. I was overly disappointed, irritated, disgusted...I can go on. But...of course the trim brake hater would think the ride ran like absolute crap last year because the pacing was completely destroyed after the spaghetti bowl. Hopefully after this year's rehab, it will run like it has in previous seasons - "trim free and not for the weak of heart." Personally, I think its absolute best season was right around 2013 after its massive overhaul. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spectrum91 Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 In addition to the coaster projects, HW announced they are bringing back the Freedom Train, an original ride when the park first opened. It will replace the Holidog Express, which replaced the Freedom Train when it was retired a few years' back: http://www.insideindianabusiness.com/story/31241150/freedom-train-returning-to-holiday-world The article doesn't say that the original Freedom Train is replacing Holiday Express. Instead... Park President Matt Eckert says "the Freedom Train is an important part of our history - we were determined to bring it back and put it on display for generations of riders to see." Sounds more like the original ride will only be a small display. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcgoble3 Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Much more on that was posted on the HoliBlog this afternoon: http://www.holidayworld.com/holiblog/2016/02/18/back-on-track/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Paula Werne is good at what she does. Oh, yes. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBEW_Sparky Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 Very much so! So much so back in 2009/10 I actually believed the sincerity of it. From someone who is as pro-PR person as dare-to-fly is trim brakes (a sentiment we both share) and is ALWAYS looking for the angle/spin to every word out of their mouths, that definitely attests to her job proficiency. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dare-to-fly Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 Paula is incredible at what she does! I never want her to retire because she is too entertaining just to see what stunt she tries to pull next! Very much so! So much so back in 2009/10 I actually believed the sincerity of it. From someone who is as pro-PR person as dare-to-fly is trim brakes (a sentiment we both share) and is ALWAYS looking for the angle/spin to every word out of their mouths, that definitely attests to her job proficiency. And to think, after coming back from a long break from KIC, it took me three whole days to mention the wretched things! I'll try to keep that under control. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 On some things, it's just best to stand pat. And I do. And always will. And Rampage surpasses any roller coaster in Santa Claus, Indiana. Always did. Still does. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldiesmann Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 I rode Holidog Express last year. Snooze city... That said, I still find Holiday World to be a fun park, though I don't like their "no single riders" policy for the antique cars and Scrambler. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcgoble3 Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 though I don't like their "no single riders" policy for the antique cars and Scrambler. They have that policy for the Scrambler now? Last time I was there it was just on the antique cars. (Though on a cool May morning when I estimated total park attendance to be less than five hundred, they weren't enforcing it.) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldiesmann Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 When I went to ride Scrambler a couple years ago there was a sign saying single riders would be paired. I rode it with my sister last year so I didn't pay much attention then. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dare-to-fly Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 When I went to ride Scrambler a couple years ago there was a sign saying single riders would be paired. I rode it with my sister last year so I didn't pay much attention then. A sign saying singles will be paired implies that they will put single riders together to shorten long lines. Unless it specifically says no single riders, it's just that they reserve the right to make the 4 teenagers who all want their own car ride 2 and 2, or for them to put two strangers together to get extra people on. I have ridden HW's Scrambler solo before. It's not a formal policy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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