Cedar Fair Coaster Trends

[SonofBaconator]

I decided to make an Excel sheet of the trends in the Cedar Fair company in terms of coasters. I did not include renames if it was just a simple paint job, however I did include Rougaroo and Patriot since the trains changed therefore changing the ride experience. I also decided to make this list after 2007 since that was when Cedar Fair started to make changes to a great deal of its parks on account of the Paramount buy as well as the closing of Geauga Lake.

Let me know what you think

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_4zm02rSukmXN5vCqWELWfGvYavUsn2vwxgXcUDOaxM/edit?usp=sharing

[Creed Bratton]

I guess my question is what is the point of creating a spreadsheet of these installations? 

If you are looking for specific trends, I caution anyone with thinking just because an installation happened after x or y, to not get their hopes up. 

History does sometime repeat itself, however, in the world of parks, it's not always the case...folks looking at trends for installations were believing that Kings Dominion would be getting a new roller coaster this year because of x, y and/or z. They were highly disappointed to learn that those x, y, and/or z factors didn't necessarily lead to a new coaster. 

[SonofBaconator]

2 hours ago, chugh43 said:

I guess my question is what is the point of creating a spreadsheet of these installations? 
 

I did it for anyone who cared to look and see where some parks are compared to others and what the data says about what path each park is heading down.

[CoastersRZ]

Past history does not necessarily indicate the future of any particular park.  Not to mention, that each Cedar Fair park has a different market in which it operates, so has different needs in terms of what rides are needed and will bring the best ROI.

[rudyza]

I think it's interesting to see when and where additions were made throughout the parks.  While it doesn't necessarily dictate the future, I still think it's a cool thing to have.

[MDMC01]

Until looking at the table, I didn't realize Carolina Cobra (soon to the "The Flying Cobras") was installed in '09 while most of the other Geagua Lake exports were installed in '08. Also, just looking at a glance, I see a lot of B&M's and GCI's. Finally, as others said, the past may not be a good indicator of the future; look at CGA as an example, according to the chart, there have been only 2 major installs/refurbish since '07 (Gold Striker and Vortex/Patriot), however, in the future, they are set to expand massively with lots of new forthcoming attractions (don't know if this is the best example, but I hope you Ce Dar Point*).

 

*Seriously! It seemed like the goal for all CF waterparks at one time was to be called Soak City; now it seems that some will have their own identity as seen with Carolina Harbor and Cedar Point Shores  

[SonofBaconator]

Maybe to better support my thought process a little bit more, look again at the sheet. Look what Cedar Fair did to Mantis and CGA's Vortex- you can safely bet that CF will be leaning to convert Vortex at Carowinds to floorless. When Mean Streak get's RMC'd, there's a strong likelihood that Hurler at Carowinds and KD will get their fix sooner or later. This list isn't supposed to be set and stone, but its supposed give you an idea at what CF has been looking at over the years. 

[CoastersRZ]

But in order to understand the whole story, you can't look at just the coasters.  You need to look at the flat ride installations, and the water park installations to get the whole story.  Roller coasters are but one facet of the story.

[VekomaRulz]

I didn't realize how long it's been since some of the parks in the chain got a non kiddie coaster coaster, 2007 for Valleyfair and 2008 for Worlds of Fun.

[medford]

The coasters that Valley Fair does have are pretty good.  Renegade (GCI) was one of my favorite rides ever, I had no clue what I was in for; it blew my son and I away, we are both very much looking forward to Mystic Timbers; have been pining for a GCI since getting off that ride.  I forget the name of their Hyper, but it had a great first drop, incredible floating air time over the second hill, a very mediocre middle and a great ending.  A couple of other solid and varied rides.  If they could add a good invert on the level of Banshee (I say clear out their dino exhibit and put it up front in that area) and I think it would be a great 1 day destination park.  If I'm ever w/n a couple hours of Minneapolis again, I'm going just for Renegade.

[SonofBaconator]

Would it be wrong to assume that the next ground up coaster Cedar Point will get is a B&M Flyer? I know they're already tight on space but they're going to need something new and unique in the next couple of years. 

[KIBeast]

I think a flyer is a good possibility, unless something new and unique comes along like the Wing Rider

 

[SonofBaconator]

8 minutes ago, KIBeast said:

I think a flyer is a good possibility, unless something new and unique comes along like the Wing Rider

 

Ummm Gatekeeper?

[Creed Bratton]

Cedar Point isn't as tight on space as everyone seems to believe they are.

KIBeast is saying a newer concept (like a wing coaster) would be awesome if it comes along vs a flyer. Not saying they need a wing coaster.


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[Italian Job 2005]

I would LOVE to see a B&M flyer come to Cedar Point. I was sort of saddened in a way when we got Firehawk because I knew that meant we wouldn't ever get a B&M Flyer.

But I mean I am biased, since Flying Coasters are by far my fav type of coaster.


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[KIBeast]

Yes, that is what I was meaning. I do however, like the flying coasters as well, although I have never been on a B&M Flyer. 

[VekomaRulz]

I have only ridden 1 (Superman clone) and they are fun except I don't like the loading system with a single station. While the other train is loading and you are stuck on the brake run, your head it tilted down and it's really uncomfortable after a minute or two.

[SonofBaconator]

Would it be wrong to assume that parks like Valley Fair, Dorney Park, or even Michigan's Adventure would receive hand-me-down rides from other, bigger Cedar Fair parks looking to expand in the future? 

[calakapepe]

I don't think they've done that before. The rides from geauga was when they want to make it a water park only

[rcwizard13]

Well, Dorney did receive Demon Drop from Cedar Point and Stinger from Great America.

[SonofBaconator]

Michigan's Adventure would be a great candidate for a boomerang

[Creed Bratton]

To be fair, Michigan's Adventure would be a great candidate for just about anything.

[calakapepe]

Well, Dorney did receive Demon Drop from Cedar Point and Stinger from Great America.

Ahh, forgot about those

[Kenban]

Knott's has a Vekoma Boomerang and I have seen multiple rumors about its removal.  So I could see it moving to another park maybe Michigan's Adventure.  It was originally installed in 1990, it might not be new enough to justify moving.

[VekomaRulz]

I'm hoping that after all the problems with Stinger, that is the end of used major rides for Dorney. A new coaster won't be added anytime soon according to this article: http://www.mcall.com/news/local/parkland/mc-dorney-park-new-rides-20160818-story.html

 

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As for bigger-ticket rides, Stibitz said there aren't any immediate plans for a new coaster, though capital plans for 2018 and beyond are not yet complete. The last roller coaster the park added was The Stinger in 2012.