Decoding 2020

[XBeastGirlX]

Here is a comparison of April thru now. First photo credit goes to IndyGuy and second photo is mine. Ravine is definitely being made deeper than it originally was 

[sixohdieselrage]

@XBeastGirlX Great comparison!

Speaking of pictures... As soon as the first public riders are on this new coaster, would you all like me to upload every aerial photo I took? All the way from Firehawk being torn down, to a public train on the coaster. Kinda in a timeline type.

[fryoj]

10 minutes ago, XBeastGirlX said:

Here is a comparison of April thru now. First photo credit goes to IndyGuy and second photo is mine. Ravine is definitely being made deeper than it originally was 

 

 

Looks like they are just cleaning it up and shaping for drainage. In case anyone gets any bright ideas, that won't affect the drop height. Too sharp of an angle. 

[BSBMX]

27 minutes ago, sixohdieselrage said:

@XBeastGirlX Great comparison!

Speaking of pictures... As soon as the first public riders are on this new coaster, would you all like me to upload every aerial photo I took? All the way from Firehawk being torn down, to a public train on the coaster. Kinda in a timeline type.

Yes, but why not start now?

 

 

EDIT: (so I'm not double posting): found this on YT. To my surprise, it's not the standard Hitler video, but still funny!

 

[russell_dale]

Maybe I've missed something, but if the lift is going to be 295' tall then by definition it's a hyper coaster not a giga. If it drops 400' into a tunnel it's still only a hyper coaster.  Am I wrong? 

[Hawaiian Coasters 325]

2 minutes ago, russell_dale said:

Maybe I've missed something, but if the lift is going to be 295' tall then by definition it's a hyper coaster not a giga. If it drops 400' into a tunnel it's still only a hyper coaster.  Am I wrong? 

The classification of coaster is based on the height OR drop. For example: BGW considers Apollo's Chariot a hyper even though the lift is less than 200 feet, but the drop is over 200 feet. Same with Phantoms Revenge at Kennywood. 

[thatguyfromohio]

Maybe I've missed something, but if the lift is going to be 295' tall then by definition it's a hyper coaster not a giga. If it drops 400' into a tunnel it's still only a hyper coaster.  Am I wrong? 

Giga can include the main lift hill having reach 10ft but a 300ft drop



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[DiamondBanshee]

Also no matter what (unless its a new coaster type) B&M will call it a hyper model, as is the case with Fury and Levi. Giga is a term by Intamin when Millennium Force was built. B&M just refers to their coasters by what their mode is. For example, multiple dive coasters are over 200’ but they are not called “hyper coaster” they are called “dive coasters” because that is their model.

 

As for Kings Island, they can call it whatever they want. If they wanted to call Diamondback a giga, there’s nobody stopping then. Yes enthusiasts would be upset because we have an idea of what a giga should be (300’ height and/or drop) but to the average person, they don’t know the difference between a hyper, giga, or strata.

 

Kings Island will almost definitely market it as a giga because a. By most enthusiasts definitions it is considered a giga, and b. the term has become fairly well know around here due to the all the hype surrounding KI getting a giga for years. KI will do what they think is best to get the most people in the park.

 

Edit: Didn’t mean to put that emoji lol

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[aj74205]

For all we know, the height at ground level below the apex of the lift is 5' below the zero height listed on the blueprints.

In order to have a 301' lift AND drop, the ground at the base of the drop needs to be around 10' lower when considering footers/supports/height of track off ground. We can see that the grade changes at least this much in the land clearing pics.

Lift height has always been conjecture. I maintain that come announcement time, stats are going to reflect a 300'/301' lift. 

[SonofBaconator]

http://www.wildgravitytravels.com/kings-island-2020-and-hersheypark-2020-track-update-2/

[BSBMX]

27 minutes ago, SonofBaconator said:

http://www.wildgravitytravels.com/kings-island-2020-and-hersheypark-2020-track-update-2/

Here's an update from today:

http://www.wildgravitytravels.com/kings-island-2020-update-8/

[fryoj]

3 hours ago, russell_dale said:

Maybe I've missed something, but if the lift is going to be 295' tall then by definition it's a hyper coaster not a giga. If it drops 400' into a tunnel it's still only a hyper coaster.  Am I wrong? 

You'd have to submit your inquiry to the international board of roller coaster classifiers.

In other words, giga is a made up term so there's no one to define what counts. 

1 hour ago, aj74205 said:

For all we know, the height at ground level below the apex of the lift is 5' below the zero height listed on the blueprints.

In order to have a 301' lift AND drop, the ground at the base of the drop needs to be around 10' lower when considering footers/supports/height of track off ground. We can see that the grade changes at least this much in the land clearing pics.

Lift height has always been conjecture. I maintain that come announcement time, stats are going to reflect a 300'/301' lift. 

Actually, we know the footers at the apex of the lift are about 10 ft higher than the ones at the station. That's where the whole 285/295 height thing is coming from. The top of the lift will be 295 ft above the ground at the station and 285 ft above the ground at the peak itself. 

[aj74205]

6 minutes ago, fryoj said:

You'd have to submit your inquiry to the international board of roller coaster classifiers.

In other words, giga is a made up term so there's no one to define what counts. 

Actually, we know the footers at the apex of the lift are about 10 ft higher than the ones at the station. That's where the whole 285/295 height thing is coming from. The top of the lift will be 295 ft above the ground at the station and 285 ft above the ground at the peak itself. 

Where does data about the height of the footers come from?

[fryoj]

Just now, aj74205 said:

Where does data about the height of the footers come from?

The foundation plans. The initial set of documents people got from the city.

[aj74205]

I see. I was only aware of a zero height of 740', not heights for each footer.

[homestar92]

23 minutes ago, fryoj said:

Actually, we know the footers at the apex of the lift are about 10 ft higher than the ones at the station. That's where the whole 285/295 height thing is coming from. The top of the lift will be 295 ft above the ground at the station and 285 ft above the ground at the peak itself. 

The thing is though, "height" is very subjective. What are we measuring "height" by? Is it the joint that connects the support to the track? Top of the rail? Floor of the train? Height of the seat? Eye level for an average rider

There's lots of ways they can fudge the numbers to pick up that extra five feet without really lying. If KI decided to measure height based on eye level of the typical rider, the height will likely come out to 301 or 302 feet easily. The drop of 301 though, is definite because no matter what the point of reference being used to determine height is, as long as it's applied consistently, it will always be 301. If the heights on the blueprints are the bottom of the track, 

[BSBMX]

Sheet 3 of the attached has the coordinates. The "Top of Pier (Ft.)" column is where I pulled the values from. The values are assumed to be at ground level at that particular pier. 

KI Project X 2020.pdf

[fryoj]

21 minutes ago, homestar92 said:

The thing is though, "height" is very subjective. What are we measuring "height" by? Is it the joint that connects the support to the track? Top of the rail? Floor of the train? Height of the seat? Eye level for an average rider

There's lots of ways they can fudge the numbers to pick up that extra five feet without really lying. If KI decided to measure height based on eye level of the typical rider, the height will likely come out to 301 or 302 feet easily. The drop of 301 though, is definite because no matter what the point of reference being used to determine height is, as long as it's applied consistently, it will always be 301. If the heights on the blueprints are the bottom of the track, 

Oh I've said all along they will call it a Giga and claim 300 ft. They could put a 10 ft flag pole on top of this thing to get the official height if they really wanted. The documents have the "top of lift" height listed but we really don't know where they's measured from. I'd assume rail height, but there's a hand rail there that it could be calling the top. It's something we'll likely never know. For now, all we have is footer heights and "top of lift" to go off of. 

[shizzzon]

Anybody see this?

It took 50 CDX block kits to build The Beast. That's over $2,000 model.  I made Teaser suggestion they should use CDX kits to randomly build the new coaster for 2020 and put it in 1 shop but do not say anything about it.

 

It would look awesome seeing it setup somewhere.

[ethancoaster]

Will it really matter if it’s not a “true” giga? It’s based on an arbitrary form of measurement that the public won’t care about, and visually, it will still look like 300 feet. If it was measured in meters, it’d still come close to the giga measurement. I just don’t see why it matters?

[Phantom Theater]

1 minute ago, ethancoaster said:

Will it really matter if it’s not a “true” giga? It’s based on an arbitrary form of measurement that the public won’t care about, and visually, it will still look like 300 feet. If it was measured in meters, it’d still come close to the giga measurement. I just don’t see why it matters?

It doesn’t at all, but the topic has become so dry that it’s all that people want to discuss. 

[collin.klopfstein]

Totally off topic but I’ve never ridden millennium force so I’ve never seen the station. The station looks amazing 

[sixohdieselrage]

9 hours ago, BSBMX said:

Yes, but why not start now?

Because I want one big post in its separate thread. If I post now, it will get clogged with other stuff till April of 2020. 

[FUN&ONLY!]

34 minutes ago, collin.klopfstein said:

Totally off topic but I’ve never ridden millennium force so I’ve never seen the station. The station looks amazing 

The theme music is just as impressive!

[collin.klopfstein]

22 minutes ago, FUN&ONLY! said:

The theme music is just as impressive!

I’ve watched POVs of it and I’ve heard the music. I agree with you! Does Kings Island do any theme music for any of the rides?

[Hawaiian Coasters 325]

20 minutes ago, collin.klopfstein said:

I’ve watched POVs of it and I’ve heard the music. I agree with you! Does Kings Island do any theme music for any of the rides?

Mystic Timbers has themed music. The Bat used to when it was Flight Deck. 

[silver2005]

21 hours ago, homestar92 said:

For Cedar Fair parks, they usually go vertical in late July or early August (their recent B&Ms have gone vertical shortly after the official announcement) and are finished with the track several months before the season starts - Banshee's track was completed in mid-January.

Now, if you're Six Flags or Kennywood, you start in October and finish track construction halfway through the following season, it seems.

Or if you're SFMM you start vertical construction a month into the main season you announced that the coaster would be new and opened.

On the music topic, Adventure Express had some Indiana Jones music playing during the Paramount era.  Also, Flight of Fear has it's own music playing in the spaghetti bowl.

[Hawaiian Coasters 325]

Those of you who are on here who live close to KI, i hope you all are in your safe place. Tornado Warning in Warren County right now. Texting from my basement. 

[thatguyfromohio]

From Lebanon (next to mason) and our sirens have been going off for a half hour now


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[warriordog10]

stay safe yall