BoddaH1994 Posted May 13, 2005 Share Posted May 13, 2005 ^Oh, its happened. Probably the best example is Phantom's Revenge (Steel Phantom) at Kennywood. In 2000, it had its four loops removed and the total length of the track increased a couple hundred feet. So it could happen to The Beast but I don't see them doing it due to the cost, but who knows, I always felt that the train has too much speed left coming into the station after the second hill and helices. They could add a couple air time hills or something after the helix but like I said before, really really unlikely. VERY few track sections are left from the Arrow section of Phantom's Revenge. It's mainly just the hill, the rest is the Morgan design. They really didn't do what we're talking about. They more or less utilized track pieces to get an entire new ride. Adding to the ride itself is a whole different story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejoker8388 Posted May 13, 2005 Share Posted May 13, 2005 ^Yea, I see what you mean. Steel Phantom was more overhauled then just added to. I still think they could do it with Beast although like I said before I don't think they will. They could add after the second hill and helix without having to recalculate much forces, just the added track section. But still a very unlikely senario whats more likely is when Beast gets alot older then it is now like 20 years from now they might do something like what they did to Thunderbolt at Kennywood, where essentially they do a major reworking of the existing coaster and for all purposes turn it into a new coaster. They might do this to say that the legendary Beast still exists but to have it updated to be more modern and thrilling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKIVortex Posted May 13, 2005 Share Posted May 13, 2005 only time will tell. What is the oldest operating wooden coaster in the world? Is it one of the wooden coaster's at Kennywood? But Like I have said before, a wooden coaster is rebulit many times thru out it's lifetime. I'm sure they are not many if any at all orgianal wood on The Beast or Racer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasper Posted May 14, 2005 Share Posted May 14, 2005 The Racers is still one of the best up there. Why would they want to take it down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejoker8388 Posted May 14, 2005 Share Posted May 14, 2005 only time will tell. What is the oldest operating wooden coaster in the world? Is it one of the wooden coaster's at Kennywood? But Like I have said before, a wooden coaster is rebulit many times thru out it's lifetime. I'm sure they are not many if any at all orgianal wood on The Beast or Racer. I think you may be surprized how much of the wood is still original. I can't find the picture but I know there was one a couple years back that showed the moss that is growing on the wood from when there used to be a pond by Beast's lift hill. But agree with you that especially in the places where strong forces occur all the wood will have been replaced sometime or another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKIVortex Posted May 14, 2005 Share Posted May 14, 2005 only time will tell. What is the oldest operating wooden coaster in the world? Is it one of the wooden coaster's at Kennywood? But Like I have said before, a wooden coaster is rebulit many times thru out it's lifetime. I'm sure they are not many if any at all orgianal wood on The Beast or Racer. I think you may be surprized how much of the wood is still original. I can't find the picture but I know there was one a couple years back that showed the moss that is growing on the wood from when there used to be a pond by Beast's lift hill. But agree with you that especially in the places where strong forces occur all the wood will have been replaced sometime or another. Yeah I see what your saying. I guess some of the wood could be original. Some of the supports and such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flightoffear1996 Posted May 14, 2005 Share Posted May 14, 2005 Yea I forgot about PR. Any way they do need to replace alot of the wood cause over time wood will weaken. I really doubt we will ever seen anything done to The Beast for awille unless they tear it out but now I really dont think that will happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Bombay Posted May 14, 2005 Share Posted May 14, 2005 Im sure theres probably a lot of original wood, but not at major stress points on the ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazypkikid2005 Posted May 18, 2005 Share Posted May 18, 2005 Racer isn't going anywhere you people are morons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fyrfyter Posted May 18, 2005 Share Posted May 18, 2005 Everyone says that the only time these will be removed, is when they are too costly too maintain. HELLO, The last time I checked, the majority of the coaster was still made of wood, which is quite cheap. The point in time they quit maintaining the coaster due to cost of lumber, will be the same point in time, they quit building houses out of wood. Like that is gonna happen anytime soon. What are they gonna build stuff out of concrete? Won't that be nice, by new house and its nice gray color, and rough exterior. I guess the furniture in it will have to be concrete and plastic, since wood will be too expensive..............See the point, the wood coasters aren't going anywhere, and are relatively cheap to maintain in terms of their structure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gulliversrubadub Posted May 18, 2005 Share Posted May 18, 2005 The Racer is not a coaster classic because it had individual ratcheting restraints. Not to mention it received seat belts recently. However, I heard a while back that the status of an ACE coaster classic was changed to not include the seatbelt stipulation since it is a safety issue. The Beastie, I believe is a coaster classic because it still has the old buzz bars. As for the `Tiques, I have a feeling they may be coming back next seaon, possibly with new engines and definantly a new theme to fit in with the area in which they would be installed (Nick). The Racer is a ACE coaster. Whether or not you want to believe it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outdoor Man Posted May 18, 2005 Share Posted May 18, 2005 not a doomsday post, but Racer and Beast are made of biodegradable / organic material... wood. Someday they will come out. The Racer is afterall 33 years old, though it may outlast The Beast because it is built on level ground.... plus the area around The Beast is covered with trees making it susceptible to moss and other "rotting" activities. Some day the maintenance will become as such that replacement is a necessary option over that of constant repair. In 1984 The Bat was the star attraction but had to be removed because maintenance was eating them alive..... and retention was not financially feasible no matter how many enthusiasts attended or protested..... and somehow the park survived. They did it before, they'll do it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIBeast Posted May 18, 2005 Share Posted May 18, 2005 But, maintenance on The Bat was due to poor design. There was zero banking on any of the turns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKI Punk Posted May 18, 2005 Share Posted May 18, 2005 Very true, that and the fact that steel costs a hell of a lot more to replace than wood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollerNut Posted May 18, 2005 Share Posted May 18, 2005 Hmm, and how old is the world's oldest coaster? Racer isn't going anywhere nor is Beast. If they do rot out, PKI would go in and over time replace the rotted pieces just as they do the track. Wooden coasters are built to last unlike their steel cousins that end up being replaced by 10 years 7 out of 10 times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Bombay Posted May 18, 2005 Share Posted May 18, 2005 I think we can finnaly lay this topic to rest.....Both PTC wood coasters are classic. They are eventually going to be torn down, however, it wont be soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoddaH1994 Posted May 18, 2005 Share Posted May 18, 2005 Especially for The Beast, I could see them tearing down whole sections and replacing them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Bombay Posted May 18, 2005 Share Posted May 18, 2005 I think when The Beast turns 49 it will be closed all year and PKI will not tell us whats going on and when it has its 50th anniversary they will surprise us in the woods of ohio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soviettraitor Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 Just saying....The Racer kills you. There is something wrong with the lap bar, it crushes me on the third hill. So what if it is a classic. King Cobra was the first of its kind, and it was torn down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tubaman Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 Just saying....The Racer kills you. There is something wrong with the lap bar, it crushes me on the third hill. So what if it is a classic. King Cobra was the first of its kind, and it was torn down. I've never had a problem with the lap bar. Although I am used to getting the bar as tight as I can(a fear of coming out). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soviettraitor Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 Every time the train goes over the third hill, it comes down so that it is painful to go over the rest of the hill. It fell like a boulder siting on oyu waist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastersRZ Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 What ride are you refering to, The Racer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldiesmann Posted May 24, 2005 Share Posted May 24, 2005 I've got long legs, so this really isn't too much of a problem for me, but I have had similar things happen on Son of Beast before. Not fun at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rustbucket Posted May 24, 2005 Share Posted May 24, 2005 Actually, I have seen the lap bar coming down more than once. That happens to my daughter a lot. She is only 8 years old though. I can see if someone really has a loose lap bar, it will come down rather hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarketingExpress Posted May 25, 2005 Share Posted May 25, 2005 Is The Racer being dismantled at the end of the 2005 season or is this just a rumor? Someone said that they heard it was, but you know how the rumors fly. lol US ARMY! BE ALL YOU CAN BE!! There is no way they would take out The Racer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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