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Rides create an adrenaline rush. Adrenaline effects people in many different ways. Surge of energy. Hands shaking. Crying. Outburst of emotion. Many can mistake this rush and subsequent reaction(s) as "fear". Trust the parents, and unless you are an actual parent, you really have no clue about when a child is fearful of something and when they need that push that will ultimately give them lifelong confidence. And no, it is not always just about getting on a ride. Kids cry going to school the first time. Why? They are fearful of the unknown. Do parents still have the child go? Absolutely. Some here would consider that "force". But is it? We know there is nothing to truly fear and the child does need an education. Bottom line- trust the parent. What looks to be fear & force can very well be a adrenaline rush & a parent pushing their child to get over fear of the unknown.

Nope, you could be not more incredibly incorrect. Please read everything I wrote as it was meant. Picking & choosing what to Interpret does not justify your accusation. I will point out your unfortunate "fearful children" comment though. How can YOU possibly know more than the parent if their own child is actually fearful?

It is mind boggling that anyone would consider themselves successful when they are literally living off of a program that they did not work for. Be that as it may, it's those that live off the system that give a bad rap to those that legitimately need to. But that discussion is a whole other can of worms.........

Sorry to single you out, and with all due respect: This is the exact mentality of where the wussification of America started. A scenario: Why did little Johnny cry and want to quit soccer? Because he did not get a shiney trophy like his buddy down the street. Why didn't he get a trophy? Because his team came in 6th place. Now, what are the solutions for parents: - Let little Johnny quit. - Give the 6th place team trophies to make them feel good about themselves & let them believe that they were good enough. - Teach the child to practice harder & as a parent help him. Make the child understand that he must earn a trophy. Too many parents are afraid to instill a drive in their kids. What a select few are calling "force" (which still is such a disgusting term to use given NOBODY here has mentioned using force to make their kids to ride anything) is simply pushing your child to want to achieve goals. Will those who are not pushed still achieve success? Sure. As was mentioned here multiple time, yet ignored by some, all kids are different. But just because some are successful, does not mean they all are. Just look at those on welfare with smartphones standing in line at the grocery store with expensive food in their cart. Any bets that they were not pushed as kids?

Yes, you do need to explain because the way you make it sound is that bribery IS forcing especially when referring to a "punishment". Perhaps I am mistaken? When one says that something is much better than something else, that is an acknowledgement that they are different. Bribery/rewards/positive reinforcement is much better than force. Note the typically part; in other words, not always. Positive reinforcement encourages someone to want to do something. Force encourages resent, contentment, etc. Oh, so instead of using just one ">" you wanted to be cryptic and use two ">>" but still meant better than. Thanks for clearing that up!

Yes, you do need to explain because the way you make it sound is that bribery IS forcing especially when referring to a "punishment". Perhaps I am mistaken?

I give my kids ice cream for scoring a goal..... which means bribery..... which means I forced them to do it? Why do some want to make something so innocent & make it sound so terrible??

I would get the Fast Lane at CP. This should guarantee you to get the most out of CP without feeling rushed.

Double post.

Welcome to KIC! How many days will you be at CP?

How many more members need to point this out?

Parents, those who raise a child day in, day out, know exactly how their child acts when truly scared or when they are simply acting. It is not only insulting but incredibly disrespecting to attempt to create drama when, from the outside looking in, looks bad from YOUR opinion, yet still refuse to listen to real everyday parents. And that in a nutshell is exactly what is wrong with many kids today. They are coddled and allowed to act out because they don't like something, mom/dad allow kids to make excuses to NOT do something. This then gives the child a sense of entitlement. After that ball is rolling it is very difficult to stop. As another member mentioned earlier- a child literally jumped from the moving train. Now what on God's green Earth would make that child believe that was safe or acceptable? A prime example of kids who act like this can be found here at KIC. Look up the threads about: smoking, line jumping, stealing, and just all-around inappropriate behavior. These kids breaking simple rules have that sense of entitlement have do not think twice about it. While this is an enthusiast site about a fun place that most of us enjoy leaving reality at the main gate, simple life long lessons can be achieved when strapping your child to a ride. Do yourself a favor, listen to ALL those with kids. Picking and choosing what to listen to only creates unnecessary drama and is not a true way to form an educated opinion.

Whoa! Whoever said "force"? "Pushing" is one thing, "forcing" is unacceptable. Please do not confuse the two. It would be a shame for some to get the wrong idea and attempt to stir up drama when it never existed from the beginning. Thank-you for your cooperation in this matter!

^Some parents believe not "pushing" your child & let them find things out on their own is a good thing. They are so terribly wrong. Allowing that type of behavior is bad parenting. It sets the child up for failure later in life. But let's face it (and I am going to apologize in advance for being blunt) the mother purchased season passes not knowing if the child even liked rides?? She does not have the greatest decision making skills......

Most parents learn quickly how far they can push their kids. As Tr0y mentioned- tough love. My youngest will look at food she has never tried and scream yuck. Some parents will allow their kids to be a picky eater. But me as big bad dad will just take her phone away until she at least tries some of it. Typically she likes it. I did the same with TTD. She loved it. Not so much with X-Scream at Waldameer, which she still hates. When going to KI her first time & seeing Drop Tower, before even asking she told me to keep the phone. She didn't go on. Yes, she still has her phone.

KI has not opened due to weather during HH. http://kingsislandinsider.blogspot.com/2009/10/advisory-park-not-open-thursday-for.html?m=1 Very unique, but it has happened.

If that is true, great. But I question the accuracy of the report. Why 45 days? The ride has been sitting for 7+ years, suddenly now there will be a "45 day" window??

How about instead of protesting what happened a handful of years ago, this group reach out to other parks to see if they want to buy it?? Perhaps then they will find out that nobody, except them, wants it. The horse is dead. Beating it will not make it come back.

^^ It really is not just coasters. KW has that "old park feel" much like the Coney Island section of KI was pre-Paramount or Hershey Park's sections of "The Hallow" & "Kissing Tower Hill". It is too bad a few individuals, and media oversensulization, can make a great park look bad.

Save it for what, and more importantly, whom?

South wind= chilly/ cold. North wind= REALLY cold. But a cold day at CP is better than a warm house in February.

So were those shirts planned for a pic in this discussion? Incredibly ironic!

http://www.times-standard.com//opinion/20130804/lets-face-it-common-sense-is-not-a-common-thing

Did she "dangle" the child over the enclosure (like Michael Jackson did many years ago at a hotel) or did she lift the child above a railing and lost control? There is a significant difference between the two. One being malicious, the other- not so much.

No it's not.Dumb? Certainly. Inexcuseable? Other than dropping the child with malicious intent, it is a dumb mistake. Let it be a learning experience for others. "Inexcusable" suggests the mother should lose her rights as a parent and at this point the punishment does not fit the crime.