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http://on.wkyc.com/29bMyCe WTF? (Perhaps I should have put this under "I can't make this crap up" thread)

Beast 1979. 4+ hours. Line stretched to Eiffel Tower.

Some info, but much of the decision had to do with money: http://mentalfloss.com/article/28174/why-walt-disney-built-theme-park-swampland

Florida officials believe they have killed the alligator that dragged away a young boy http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2016/06/florida_officials_believe_they.html

The no rain check policy is a business decision, but one that KI needs to have. People would take advantage of it. If the policy did not exist, while it would be good for those wash-out days, some would want it to be good for oppressively hot days, or cold days, windy days, etc.

Scary stuff. A parent's nightmare: burying a child. I can't imagine what they are going through.

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I have lived on the Southern shores of Lake Erie my entire life and have been a boater/ active visitor to Presque Isle since 1979. I am used to various water restrictions such as: http://www.presqueisle.org/about/frequently-asked-questions/These restrictions typically are about water conditions effected by weather or elevated e-coli counts. This is where it gets tricky: swimming is not allowed at unguarded beaches, but certain areas that are unguarded do allow boats to anchor off the beach & enjoy the water/ beach/ nature. All these boaters get to the beach by wading from their boat. This is considered legal by Presque Isle Park Police which have the same rights as PA State Police. We also have various waterways for fishing. Most of them have no swimming signs posted due to the constantly changing water depths. These same waterways will allow fishing using hip waders where those fishing will literally be in the water past their knees but below their waist. Some waterways do not allow fishing at all and will have a sign sayin no fishing/ do not enter the water. So just in my neck of the woods I am used to numerous signage regarding water restrictions based upon certain dangers. Knowing that not every Disney guest speaks English and are literally from all corners of the globe, I am surprised that a simple "no swimming" sign was thought to be adequate. And even though Florida is certainly known for gators does not mean everyone understands it or realizes that Disney allows certain water activities and does not remove all gators (which seems crazy- but many do believe this) from their waterways.

Great trip report! Thanks for sharing!

I don't know if it is the same video but one that I saw had a kid with a hidden camera get laughed at for trying to buy a $1 scratch off ticket at a corner store & get laughed at. Check that, it it the same video: Another disturbing video:

For conversation sake, is this considered swimming?

^ You are a perfect example why guns are legal & should NOT be banned. But anytime gun advocates hear that changes should be done to protect everyone, including law-abiding gun owners, somehow they twist it into a "DON'T TAKE MY GUN AWAY!" pi$$ing contest. Change is not always a bad thing. Those who deserve guns will have them. Those who don't..... should have them taken away.

A fence with proper signage: "BEWARE!! DO NOT ENTER THE WATER OR FEED THE ALLIGATORS" would have been a step in the right direction.If this is the only information to come out, Disney totally dropped the ball on this one & we will not hear of a settlement- but it will certainly be in the 7 digit range.

Chickens hibernate??? For how long?

Disney is in some deep doo-doo.......

KIC members cannot decide what is: big, small, adult. kiddie, traditional, etc. I highly doubt the average park goer will even care- and that is due to marketing, which Don (and CF as of recently) does very well. Due to numerous discussions waiting in line- most guests have no idea what GCI, RMC, B & M, Intamin are until the type of track is explained. Then you can see the light come on because they are connecting the dots. But getting back to season passes- I don't believe a "traditional" coaster will have a negative/ neutral impact as you believe. Ravine Flyer II at Waldameer in Erie could be labeled as small due to being 2900' with a drop of 115' and max speed of 57mph, but what it does not have in size, it more than makes up for in forces & general fun. I personally believe that customer experience influences season pass sales more than anything. While there will an increase in pass sales for the opening year for any coaster, if park fans get pi$$ed due to long concession lines or crappy customer service you not only lost a season pass sale, but negative press spreads like wildfire- the sale will be a one year thing. So is it fair to say that season pass sales will decrease because of: A) Not a huge coaster to spike sales. Customer service has been lagging this season due to long lines for concessions. No, any coaster will spike sales it's first year due to excellent CF marketing. Yes, negative customer service will decrease season pass sales.

KIC members cannot decide what is: big, small, adult. kiddie, traditional, etc. I highly doubt the average park goer will even care- and that is due to marketing, which Don (and CF as of recently) does very well. Due to numerous discussions waiting in line- most guests have no idea what GCI, RMC, B & M, Intamin are until the type of track is explained. Then you can see the light come on because they are connecting the dots. But getting back to season passes- I don't believe a "traditional" coaster will have a negative/ neutral impact as you believe. Ravine Flyer II at Waldameer in Erie could be labeled as small due to being 2900' with a drop of 115' and max speed of 57mph, but what it does not have in size, it more than makes up for in forces & general fun. I personally believe that customer experience influences season pass sales more than anything. While there will an increase in pass sales for the opening year for any coaster, if park fans get pi$$ed due to long concession lines or crappy customer service you not only lost a season pass sale, but negative press spreads like wildfire- the sale will be a one year thing.

It is not a silly document and nobody wants to throw it out. You suggested it. Person is singular, people is plural. You want to interpret and single things out, I can too son. The disgusting moment you suggested that there is too much infringement on guns in the same discussion that is on the heels of one of the worst gun massacres in US history by a legally purchased gun proves you have zero sympathy of not only the 49 victims, but for those victims in the numerous massacres that have taken place over the past couple decades. I'm gonna sleep well tonight, I hope you can too.

People, like militia, means more than one person. Our militia are the armed forces- more than one. Nowhere does it say a single person has the right to have a weapon. But gosh darn, keep insulting the memory of those who have perished at the hands of legally purchased weapons because they want people to defend the rights of the very thing that put them in a grave. Do us a favor, don't attempt to convince us that the victims' rights were not infringed upon. We already know that answer.

Speaking of slippery slopes- instead of only defending part of the 2nd Amendment as you have all day, why not defend it in it's entirety? The Second Amendment of the United States Constitution reads: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Where does it say that a single individual has the right to bear arms?

As mentioned earlier:

Because current gun control is working?? Tell that to the families of the 49 victims. Yeah, one of us is looking through rose-colored glasses- Funny how gun advocates try to throw the amendments around, but ignore why the 15th & 19th Amendments needed to be added. Rules, laws, Amendments need to change as society evolves. Believing they cannot be changed is sticking your head in the sand ignoring the real issues.

More victims at the wrong end of a gun. How many more have to perish before changes are made to help these senseless incidents from happening? Prayers to the victims & families....... These incidents are terrible enough on their own without having to read stupidity like this. 49 innocent people lost their lives due to some raving lunatic. All of those people were in a gun free zone in Orlando. The law already on the books against having a gun (not to mention the law against murder) in that location sure worked well, didn't it? Since you brought it up, what exactly is your solution? So, being "stupid" and all...... inform me, what is considered a "raving lunatic"? Was he not the same "raving lunatic" when approved for the gun purchase? Was he not the same "raving lunatic" when he was scouting potential targets? Was he not the same "RAVING LUNATIC" when the FBI looked into his back round? But some how, this "RAVING LUNATIC" was able to legally purchase a weapon that took the lives of 49 people. Or is he now a "RAVING LUNATIC" because now he took 49 innocent lives? Go ahead, call me stupid for feeling that our gun regulations are way too relaxed. Call me stupid for feeling that gun loopholes that allow weapon purchase at gun shows are non-existent. Go ahead and call me stupid for believing that weapons like the one used were never intended for protection under the 2nd Amendment by our founding fathers. You want to own a gun? Great. Go through protocols similar to owning a car: registration, insurance, yearly gun & yearly mental inspections. And what needs to be added- a stipulation that only the licensed owner can use and access the weapon.

All nonsense. Florida is gator heaven. That's like living in Oklahoma, being hit by a tornado, and going "well, I never thought of tornadoes unless I saw one, which I did every other week in the Spring". It's tornado alley. Duh! Excellent analogy! The family is from Nebraska...... Even in this updated article an anonymous Disney employee made a comment on how guests, most likely from another state, will feed the gators:

You can? Why?