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It is there, you just have to know where to look. Hint- use tunnel vision.

Hotel Breakers & Sandcastle were both evacuated due to fire concerns. The whole situation is horrible. I can't imagine the frustration of those on vacation on a Saturday night and CP is painted into a corner.

I can remember when Disney purchased Marvel Studios and fans freaked because Disney will not allow certain violence or language. Once the movies came out, most did not complain. Disney has done a phenomenal job. Same goes for Lucasfilms. Many questoned Disney with Star Wars, and Disney came through. Ride reinventing may be a whole different animal, but I have faith in Disney. I cannot imagine they would remove the staple ToT and retheme it with bad results.

No, I would not say there was room to expand if there was a patch of trees. There is much land that has trees that cannot be developed-take some of the land that surrounds KI.Back to CP, don't read into the comment made. While the property is developed, it does not mean out of room. It is difficult to imagine for many on what ride can be placed in certain spaces. You are catagorizing removal of certain rides/ buildings that CP is out of room. I read it as: since a ride/ building has minimal popularity and/ or high maintenance costs, what else can the space be used for? And then there is the parking lot, which is developed, but not needed to be on Point.

Developed does not necessarily mean out of room. He was very clear that high cost and low ridership have tremendous influence on the decisions being made.

Couldn't??That means a solid yes. A settlement was reached, and deservedly so. But it is also in the best interests of the family. They are very well off and will be under a tremendous amount of public scrutiny for the incident.

Apparently someone with glaucoma.

Anyone can drink at any time. As long as it's responsible. These parents are anything but. They were plowed from the night before.

I have been to KI and CP countless times. I enjoy both for different reasons. I live pretty close to CP (2.5 hrs away) and have close relatives that live 20 minutes from KI (Fairfield then onto Hamiltion a few years back). Prior to CF purchasing Paramount Parks, we had season passes to both CP & KI. But when asked what are my favorites, I immediately say Hershey & BGW. Some may find that strange, but I don't get to those parks as often as I would like, so the attraction is greater (and the themeing both have is off the charts). ..... and I really do not like KD. It's the only park that I have been to that we left early by choice. Three times. But I digress..... Fanboys- please skip to next paragraph. The point is: for most, what we can't have often is more sought after and is looked at in a different light. What we are used to is scrutinized more. Major childhood experiences are remembered so fondly that they trump new adult experiences (1979 Beast in my case- still #1). And for the love of all what is holy- STOP WITH THE: CP vs. KI CRAP. B & M vs. INTAMIN. SoB DID NOT HAVE TO BE TORN DOWN! CF RUINED GL! UGH! Those topics have been beat to death and resurrected so much, even Jason Voorhees doesn't want to come back!! Use the search feature!!!! It's easy. It's FUN. It can be a life changing experience! Honest! - Brown *stepping away from the keyboard*

Diamondstack gave it away......

You are gonna need about 100 years.....

Too funny!

http://on.wkyc.com/29bMyCe WTF? (Perhaps I should have put this under "I can't make this crap up" thread)

Beast 1979. 4+ hours. Line stretched to Eiffel Tower.

Some info, but much of the decision had to do with money: http://mentalfloss.com/article/28174/why-walt-disney-built-theme-park-swampland

Florida officials believe they have killed the alligator that dragged away a young boy http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2016/06/florida_officials_believe_they.html

The no rain check policy is a business decision, but one that KI needs to have. People would take advantage of it. If the policy did not exist, while it would be good for those wash-out days, some would want it to be good for oppressively hot days, or cold days, windy days, etc.

Scary stuff. A parent's nightmare: burying a child. I can't imagine what they are going through.

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I have lived on the Southern shores of Lake Erie my entire life and have been a boater/ active visitor to Presque Isle since 1979. I am used to various water restrictions such as: http://www.presqueisle.org/about/frequently-asked-questions/These restrictions typically are about water conditions effected by weather or elevated e-coli counts. This is where it gets tricky: swimming is not allowed at unguarded beaches, but certain areas that are unguarded do allow boats to anchor off the beach & enjoy the water/ beach/ nature. All these boaters get to the beach by wading from their boat. This is considered legal by Presque Isle Park Police which have the same rights as PA State Police. We also have various waterways for fishing. Most of them have no swimming signs posted due to the constantly changing water depths. These same waterways will allow fishing using hip waders where those fishing will literally be in the water past their knees but below their waist. Some waterways do not allow fishing at all and will have a sign sayin no fishing/ do not enter the water. So just in my neck of the woods I am used to numerous signage regarding water restrictions based upon certain dangers. Knowing that not every Disney guest speaks English and are literally from all corners of the globe, I am surprised that a simple "no swimming" sign was thought to be adequate. And even though Florida is certainly known for gators does not mean everyone understands it or realizes that Disney allows certain water activities and does not remove all gators (which seems crazy- but many do believe this) from their waterways.

Great trip report! Thanks for sharing!

I don't know if it is the same video but one that I saw had a kid with a hidden camera get laughed at for trying to buy a $1 scratch off ticket at a corner store & get laughed at. Check that, it it the same video: Another disturbing video:

For conversation sake, is this considered swimming?

^ You are a perfect example why guns are legal & should NOT be banned. But anytime gun advocates hear that changes should be done to protect everyone, including law-abiding gun owners, somehow they twist it into a "DON'T TAKE MY GUN AWAY!" pi$$ing contest. Change is not always a bad thing. Those who deserve guns will have them. Those who don't..... should have them taken away.

A fence with proper signage: "BEWARE!! DO NOT ENTER THE WATER OR FEED THE ALLIGATORS" would have been a step in the right direction.If this is the only information to come out, Disney totally dropped the ball on this one & we will not hear of a settlement- but it will certainly be in the 7 digit range.